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Would Jesus be a Liberal?

Which of these political leans would Jesus be?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 40 44.0%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 13.2%

  • Moderate

    Votes: 7 7.7%

  • Potato

    Votes: 32 35.2%
  • Total voters
    91
Peter Grimm said:
If Jesus Christ were alive today, would he be a liberal, conservative, or something else? Why?
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Something else.

Staunch pro-life advocate, fiscally responsible, encourages militant warfare when necessary - always with the effort to win, but opposes violence in general. Supports freedom and individuality as well as creativity but expects those born with certain issues to just suffer.
Classic Conservative/Republican here.

However
Supports those who even don't believe in him, believes all children are born good, anti-discrimination, pro-free education for all, willing to sacrifice self and others for sake of own salvation, believes cross cultural communication is key in life
Classic Liberal/Democratic views.
 
Sadly, it's a little reflecting of this place when I see so many replying in the affirmative: "liberal."
 
spud_meister said:
Render unto Ceasar, camel-needle-rich man, blessed are the meek, etc.

Whether or not he would be, conservative hacks would label him as such.
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Libbos would label him as a homophobe and an Islamophobe.

Oh, and a warmonger, too.
 
German guy said:
But getting back on topic, what I read out of these scriptures is that Baha'i oppose laws that aim at imposing absolute equality, but support laws that put a limit to immoderate, irresponsible accumulation of wealth by private individuals. The details are up to debate. ;)

I guess you could justify a progressive tax that way, for example. Or regulation of the finance sector.
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To the bolded:
You could to a certain extent, until taxation becomes a disincentive to produce. This is the inherent flaw with a communist or socialist-type system imo. It's human nature to want to keep what one achieves by one's own merits.
 
apdst said:
Libbos would label him as a homophobe and an Islamophobe.

Oh, and a warmonger, too.
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1) Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality, at least according to the New Testament.

2) Jesus existed 600 years before Islam came around.

3) Jesus never really took up arms against anyone.

So your accusations are completely baseless.
 
StillBallin75 said:
1) Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality, at least according to the New Testament.

2) Jesus existed 600 years before Islam came around.

3) Jesus never really took up arms against anyone.

So your accusations are completely baseless.
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He didn't have to take up arms - he just had to snap his fingers, man . . .
 
lizzie said:
To the bolded:
You could to a certain extent, until taxation becomes a disincentive to produce. This is the inherent flaw with a communist or socialist-type system imo. It's human nature to want to keep what one achieves by one's own merits.
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Absolutely. When taxes are so excessive that no incentive is left, it's not just against the spirit of the matter, but even stupid. And the scripture says nothing against "moderate" accumulation of wealth.

In fact, there are many quotes (which I don't find exactly at the moment) which say that wealth is nice and fine, as long as you don't forget the main focus should be on morals. And that envy is bad. So I guess it's not bad to make money, as long as you keep remembering you have a moral obligation towards those who have less.

Shoghi Effendi (who followed Abdul-Baha as "guardian" of the Baha'i faith) said there are three major false gods that keep people away from true spirituality: Racism, Nationalism and Communism.

Just to make this topic perfect. ;)
 
German guy said:
In fact, there are many quotes (which I don't find exactly at the moment) which say that wealth is nice and fine, as long as you don't forget the main focus should be on morals. And that envy is bad. So I guess it's not bad to make money, as long as you keep remembering you have a moral obligation towards those who have less.
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Well, unfortunately, I suppose the bolded cuts many Americans out. ;)
 
Whatever political affiliation He was, He probably wouldn't enjoy reading this thread.
 
Hatuey said:
If anybody deserves to be stuck to a cross and crucified, it's Milton Freedman. That dirty bastard and the Chicago school of economics have been used to justify massacres across pretty much every continent.
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Wow, please tell me you have SOMETHING besides the tired, old Chile argument to back this up. When it comes to the justification for massacres in the 20th century, it's telling that you look to free-market capitalism first.
 
Peter Grimm said:
He's the most intelligent candidate in the race. I guess I don't judge him on the personal stuff.

I don't condone it, I would never do it, but I respect him as a politician and a leader.
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Unfortunately...this comment seems to actually be true, though we would need to assume you refer to the Republican race.
 
Rhapsody1447 said:
Wow, please tell me you have SOMETHING besides the tired, old Chile argument to back this up. When it comes to the justification for massacres in the 20th century, it's telling that you look to free-market capitalism first.
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Mercantilism... imperialism...... cap...it...alism?

Could you explain whats wrong with his post?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Could you explain whats wrong with his post?
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It's him that needs to explain where he derives such an absurd observation from:

That dirty bastard and the Chicago school of economics have been used to justify massacres across pretty much every continent.
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Friedman's first major work was published in 1962. What massacres (on every continent) used Friedman's theories as justification? I want to know what else you blame the man for BESIDES Chile. If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.

Sorry, you can't just make a causal connection between Friedman and imperialism. Please elaborate. He speaks to the issue pretty clear here:

 
If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.
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Marx was not abused to the end of committing atrocities. Re-evaluate that statement.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Marx was not abused to the end of committing atrocities. Re-evaluate that statement.
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I didn't say the end was committing atrocities. His political philosophy was abused, both in the form of Stalinism and Maoism, in the two largest genocides of the 20th century. How you start with Milton Friedman is beyond me.
 
Rhapsody1447 said:
I didn't say the end was committing atrocities.
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Yes you did.

If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.
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His political philosophy was abused, both in the form of Stalinism and Maoism, in the two largest genocides of the 20th century. How you start with Milton Friedman is beyond me.
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Genocide involves mass murder towards a eugenic purpose. You must be talking about Nazi Germany.

Perhaps re-framing your issue with Hatuey's statement in some way that makes more sense may help us address you problem with it.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Yes you did.

Genocide involves mass murder towards a eugenic purpose. You must be talking about Nazi Germany.

Perhaps re-framing your issue with Hatuey's statement in some way that makes more sense may help us address you problem with it.
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I'm sorry you can't make sense out of it. If you want to nitpick around the definitions of a word, go ahead. You know full well the point being made. Pointing the finger at Milton Friedman for "massacres" that occurred (on every continent) in the 20th century is baloney. You still haven't supported that claim. Especially when any case you could make would pale in comparison to the two largest "massacres" of the 20th century which occurred under leaders who perverted the Marxist-Leninist ideology. Not to mention the subsequent dictators who adopted their same perversions.

If you want to point to Nazi Germany go ahead. I'd love to hear how you connect that with Milton Friedman. You can play semantics all you want but they are meaningless until you provide evidence for the assertion you're so tirelessly defending.

I put the word massacres in quotes for you. You can substitute it with whatever word you see fit.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
I think Jesus would be too much concerned with the Kingdom of Heaven to worry overmuch about the Kingdom of Man.
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You don't think he worries about both? I would think he does...
 
lizzie said:
I suspect he'd be a libertarian.
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But a left wing, right wing, or moderate libertarian?

I would think that he believes in some type of Christian concept of socialism and sharing wealth, resources, and food for the greater good of humanity. I am not saying Jesus was a Soviet communist and would support forced socialism. Jesus didn't win anybody over with a sword or with force. I am saying that Christianity seems to value compassion, quality of life, and equality in human worth over blaming the poor, believing poverty is justified, or the message that children or anybody lacking health care is fair.
 
SheWolf said:
But a left wing, right wing, or moderate libertarian?

I would think that he believes in some type of Christian concept of socialism and sharing wealth, resources, and food for the greater good of humanity. I am not saying Jesus was a Soviet communist and would support forced socialism. Jesus didn't win anybody over with a sword or with force. I am saying that Christianity seems to value compassion, quality of life, and equality in human worth over blaming the poor, believing poverty is justified, or the message that children or anybody lacking health care is fair.
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No wonder you oppose libertarianism, if that's what you think it is. Strawman.
 
Rhapsody1447 said:
I'm sorry you can't make sense out of it. If you want to nitpick around the definitions of a word, go ahead. You know full well the point being made.
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As of yet you haven't expressed any 'point' as you haven't said anything logically valid.

Pointing the finger at Milton Friedman for "massacres" that occurred (on every continent) in the 20th century is baloney.
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Perhaps...

You still haven't supported that claim. Especially when any case you could make would pale in comparison to the two largest "massacres" of the 20th century which occurred under leaders who perverted the Marxist-Leninist ideology. Not to mention the subsequent dictators who adopted their same perversions.
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I never made that claim. Somehow I feel more people died to German fascism though.

If you want to point to Nazi Germany go ahead. I'd love to hear how you connect that with Milton Friedman. You can play semantics all you want but they are meaningless until you provide evidence for the assertion you're so tirelessly defending.
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What assertion, I never made any, I was asking you to explain why Hatuey's statement was wrong. Now you are assigning his statement to me because you couldn't make valid arguments about communism. As if shrugging off 'total deaths' to communism makes a case for looking over capitalism's transgressions in the first place.

I put the word massacres in quotes for you. You can substitute it with whatever word you see fit.
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Well 'Communism' 'Stalinism' and 'Maosim' are not massacres in any way they're political regimes or ideologies.
 
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