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Is Obama just really Bush II?

Is Obama just really Bush II?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 37.0%
  • No

    Votes: 29 63.0%

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I mean look at the evidence and similarities of what Obama has done-

1.He continues wars in the middle east and will likely attack Iran if elected another term
2. Like Bush passed a expensive healthcare bill (Bush's was medicare part D)
3. Passed into law a act for military drones to patrol our own skies while keeping the patriot act. (obviously Bush passed the Patriot Act)
4. Continues to pile on debt like Bush
5. Does nothing about immigration like Bush
6. Continues tax breaks for the rich, case in point he is now wanting to take the corporate tax from 34% to 28%.



That being said I think the republican canidates for 2012 would be Bush III to 99th power, except for Ron Paul.
 
On many issues yes... Very much so.
 
Sadly, he is Bush light.
 
Nope, Bush is/was 10X worse than Obama. Why do you think our economy is "recovering"?
 
I hate to nitpick... but wouldn't he technically be Bush III?
 
Well I think you know what I'm getting at there Hatuey, there's no way Obama could be a Bush in name. I'm talking about him having the same policies as GW Bush.
 
You will be hard pressed to find dramatic results from one administration to the next, but within those limited changes there is a distinction.
 
To say I'm disappointed in Obama is an understatement. He did, however, some things that Dubbya would never have done. I appreciate that Obama finally got rid of "don't ask don't tell", and has removed administration support of DOMA. +2 He didn't get RID of DOMA. -1 He did implement a universal health care plan for those Americans who cannot get insurance... +1... then dithered around trying to "compromise" with the GOP until the bill was gutted and he no longer controlled both houses of congress. -1 He managed to save the US auto industry with bailouts... +1... then tried to salvage corrupt banks and mortgage companies the same way, with no controls to prevent them from using those bailouts to give bonuses to the corrupt executives that had already screwed us. -2

If I cared enough to spend more time on this topic, I could probably fill the entire page... but I don't care enough. Bottom line with me is a slight +... but damned slight. I would say he disappointed me, but since he's nothing more than a professional campaigner with a great smile, I had no real expectation of him in the first place.
 
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sounds like a beer brand.

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Not very good. :p
 
He's been a big disappointment to me. I voted for him and ended up calling him Obusha. His priorities are questionable, he loves to start new, complicated and fairly ineffective programs and between his lack of leadership and courage and a deadlocked Congress comprised of complete imbeciles whose only thoughts go to their benefits an
d re-election strategies, many good things haven't happened. Obviously, deficits create wealth but you need a better ROI than we have. We're endangering our monetary system because we spend more and more and tax less and less. Eventually, somebody will notice that there are more dollars out there than there are values enough to justify them. This utter absence of interest rates seems weird to me too. Same old GWB financial policies and administrators.

I really thought he would bring more to the table but it seems he is smart but not wise. Regrettably, we are entering this election with no rational alternatives. These politicians are such a disappointment. Only Paul offers change (for better or worse), Romney is OK, probably be calling him Rombama after a couple of years, Santorum - God forbid (thats humor) Gingrich? Not really.
 
He's certainly an improvement over Bush, but not nearly as much of one as I would have liked. There's a lot that Bush did that I would have liked Obama to oppose, but to some degree, a president kinda has to support his predecessors, or else every successive president will spend half their time just undoing what the past ones did. I would have loved to have seen a grand scale attack on a lot of the war on terror, closing of Gitmo, and a real look at the Patriot Act and attempts to get it repealed. Seems like a lot of people can get behind repealing laws that keep poor people healthy, but stopping warrantless surveillance on American citizens? Hell no. He's a moderate in an increasingly un-moderate country. And it would be damn nice to have a real liberal in office.
 
Is Obama just really Bush II?

Yes.

Except Obama gets the credit for Bin Laden, amongst a mountain of other dead terrorist's corpses, turning the Bush economy around and setting a record pace for oil exploration and production. He improved remarkably our global image. He gets credit for initating health care reform, albeit in it's infant stages, that the voting public called for. He has kept more promises than any politician I recall. He has also set a prime example as to the character of a man that should be residing in the white house. Dedicated father and husband. A professed man of faith.

Other than that, he is EXACTLY like Bush.
 
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Bush never would have ensured that every American had a right to contraceptives. Qute telling about the myth, the man, the legend in office as I hold back the tears of joy knowing that we all gained quite substantially from this administration...
 
Bush never would have ensured that every American had a right to contraceptives. Qute telling about the myth, the man, the legend in office as I hold back the tears of joy knowing that we all gained quite substantially from this administration...

You MUST tell me your stock brokers name.
 
Obama has governed more moderately on economic issues than what he campaigned on. However, when it comes to civil liberties and foreign policy issues I can barely see a difference between him and Bush. Obama has not made an effort to repeal the Patriot Act did not close Gitmo, allowed the DEA to increase raids on medical marijuana dispensaries in states where it is legal, carry out assassinations on US citizens without due process, continue the wars as Bush would have, deported a record number of illegal immigrants three years in a row, and generally continue the unconstitutional executive power-grabs that his predecessor did. Obama campaigned on change, but I cannot see it.
 
Obama has governed more moderately on economic issues than what he campaigned on. However, when it comes to civil liberties and foreign policy issues I can barely see a difference between him and Bush. Obama has not made an effort to repeal the Patriot Act did not close Gitmo, allowed the DEA to increase raids on medical marijuana dispensaries in states where it is legal, carry out assassinations on US citizens without due process, continue the wars as Bush would have, deported a record number of illegal immigrants three years in a row, and generally continue the unconstitutional executive power-grabs that his predecessor did. Obama campaigned on change, but I cannot see it.

Yeah but he's got a real nice lay-up and I like his singing.
 
Obama campaigned on change, but I cannot see it.

I would ask you to look at the obstruction and resistance to the changes he has tried to impliment and notice who the obstructionists are. A quarterback can't win a game by himself. First, Americans vote him in to do what he said he would do. Then they vote in the people, not much later later, who make that job all but impossible. I blame the people, and the obstructionists they voted in to congress, more than I blame the president.

I hope next term he has learned his lesson and quits even trying to work with the right side of the aisle. To hell with them. If we give him enough people in congress next elections, he can tell the whining malcontents to go to hell. That is, if he grows a bigger nutsack by then. There is NO point in trying to appease or negotiate with those charletons. Ramrod it through. **** 'em.
 
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I would ask you to look at the obstruction and resistance to the changes he has tried to impliment and notice who the obstructionists are. A quarterback can't win a game by himself. First, Americans vote him in to do what he said he would do. Then they vote in the people, not much later later, who make that job all but impossible. I blame the people, and the obstructionists they voted in to congress, more than I blame the president.

There's truth to your statement too, if people wanted change did they really expect it to happen in two years? Then they put the t-baggers in and nothing at all happens. Still Obama has caved on some ridiculous issues that makes him alot like Bush.
 
Bush was easily the worst President ever. So to be fair, if I compare Obusha to Bush, of course he's more humane and has made terrific progress with included Gays into society. On that issue, he's made me respect him.

However, his well intentioned medical plans were a terrible waste of resources. This country certainly needed to have an insurance company of last resort for the people who couldn't get insurance from regular companies. But that got lost along the way with over-complexity. He should have invested his early political capital in resuscitating the economy but that's barely happened. He's lacked the courage to cut frivolous spending and to raise taxes with a direction toward managing the debt.

Most of the extra spending and subsidized interest rates has profited a very few people. So maybe he's a good guy but I rate him at about 2.5 stars.

Well, we'll see what the next 4 years brings. Maybe as a lame duck he'll be more effective.
 
There's truth to your statement too, if people wanted change did they really expect it to happen in two years? Then they put the t-baggers in and nothing at all happens. Still Obama has caved on some ridiculous issues that makes him alot like Bush.

Or as Santorum put's it, "He took one for the team." I hear ya. But when I start getting down on Obama, I think of Bush. I think of Cheney. I think of FOXNews and the caustic "conservatives" that flood us daily with their spinning half truths and lies. My momma always said, "Never complain about your shoes hurting because some people don't have feet." LOL!
 
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