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Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

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Another reason to oppose Rick Santorum for president; if contraception were outlawed for strawwomen, we'd be awash in even more strawmen that we currently have to deal with ;)
 
Karl said:
Buy a dictionary.

As your argument has devolved into semantics, we're done. Have a nice day :)
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Oh no. I was so enjoying arguing about what a true libertarian is for the 100th time. It was such a unique and enlightening exchange. Whatever will I do now that you have ended it?
 
Fiddytree said:
That would be the same with the OWS, which was a reflection of American Leftism. Yet, we still can make the argument that the OWS is surging or falling into irrelevance. The Tea Party Movement, so far as its message, platform, and organizations are concerned, those are tangible and capable of being popular or being irrelevant.
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Right. I always compare OWS and the Tea Party, in terms of their populism, their extremist messages, their idiocy, and their quick rise and fall in relevance
 
Black_Zawisza said:
The Republican Party controlled all three branches from 2001 to 2006, and the federal government only grew under their watch.

Furthermore, a big chunk of the public outrage over Guantanamo, the USA PATRIOT Act, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a whole host of other things evaporated as soon as Bush left office and Obama came in (IMO, anyway, we can debate over this too).

With these points in mind, do you think that the Tea Party will remain politically relevant if the Republicans win in 2012? Or will fiscal conservatism be relegated to the back of the bus once the GOP is in power?
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To anyone paying attention, Tea Party relevance is mostly gone already.
 
Justice For All said:
They weren't relevant to begin with, they are just a bunch of neo cons hiding behind a different label and have consistantly done nothing for the country. In my opinion the Tea Party was just a distraction to the public to act like it was some new revolutionary party when in fact they are just republicans with the same tax cutting and war mongering mind set. Boner will hopefully be crying his way off that chair real soon.
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Neoconservatives in the Republican party were generally on the outside of the movement, looking in, supporting the necessity of their movement, but not on the whole "being" the Tea Party. Many neoconservatives can appeal to populism, due to the necessity (either in terms of political expediency or in terms of being a corrective to the errors of the established political class), but on the whole, populism was never really the impulse of the neoconservative persuasion because it was much more academic, politically established, and intellectual (as far as a class of people are concerned).
 
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Proud South Korean said:
Right. I always compare OWS and the Tea Party, in terms of their populism, their extremist messages, their idiocy, and their quick rise and fall in relevance
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Perhaps so, but I had since modified my thoughts on the matter. The Tea Party, while populist and still plenty infused with the tendencies to be near-Garrisonian at the most extreme level, seem much more willing to make peace with political legitimacy than the OWS. As far as their rise and fall, time tells.
 
The Tea Party has shown itself to be nothing but extremely out of touch with reality and obstructionist in every sense of the word. They are a flash in the pan faction that has done nothing but harm this country.
 
jet57 said:
The Tea Party has shown itself to be nothing but extremely out of touch with reality and obstructionist in every sense of the word. They are a flash in the pan faction that has done nothing but harm this country.
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The Tea Party is a mixture of fiscal conservatives and fiscal moderates. When you oppose extremism, the extremists will accuse you of extremism.
 
Karl said:
Another reason to oppose Rick Santorum for president; if contraception were outlawed for strawwomen, we'd be awash in even more strawmen that we currently have to deal with ;)
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The funny thing is, you've moved out of anything which may be called a "strawman" and are just plain lying. You know very well what I actually said, and that it's correct; to continue pretending I said something different is exceptionally dishonest.

But that's what you do. I don't know what you think it gets you, but it is . . . in post after post after post.
 
mpg said:
The Tea Party is a mixture of fiscal conservatives and fiscal moderates. When you oppose extremism, the extremists will accuse you of extremism.
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When extremists accuse you of extremism; you know you're right.
 
mpg said:
The Tea Party is a mixture of fiscal conservatives and fiscal moderates. When you oppose extremism, the extremists will accuse you of extremism.
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When one tries to make the federal government default on its debt (by refusing to raise the debt ceiling), one is an extremist.
 
Karl said:
When one tries to make the federal government default on its debt (by refusing to raise the debt ceiling), one is an extremist.
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straw man.
 
Fiddytree said:
I agree, however, "hijacked" implies that there was some great misfortune become of them.

It was an open platform, broad enough for anyone to come in. Don't be sorry for it. There were plenty of sad Libertarians who were surprised that being bland in their message meant many flavors of conservatives could come in and, gasp, be more popular and more successful.
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That's true.
 
mpg said:
straw man.
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Well, a rational analysis of the recent Tea Party debacle on raising the debt ceiling includes the distinct possibility of default, or at the very least the public and investor perception thereof (the inability of the gov't to borrow money to redeem its bonds coming due).

Furthermore, S&P specifically cited that debacle as one reason in its decision to downgrade our debt... a path which, if continued, could certainly lead to default (can't sell enough bonds to service our debt).

Lastly, Tea Party extremists like Sarah Palin have called to "starve the beast", which is exactly what they are doing -- trying to cut off/choke off gov't funds, which again will lead to an inability to service our debt which ultimately leads to -- default.

Therefore, while the Tea Party may be too ignorant to understand their course of action, pointing out the destination that said course leads to does not a strawman make.
 
Fiddytree said:
I agree, however, "hijacked" implies that there was some great misfortune become of them.

It was an open platform, broad enough for anyone to come in. Don't be sorry for it. There were plenty of sad Libertarians who were surprised that being bland in their message meant many flavors of conservatives could come in and, gasp, be more popular and more successful.
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The Tea Party was borne of Rick Santelli's CNBC rant about gov't relief for underwater homeowners (he preferred the homeowners to go broke because of the Wall Street-inspired housing collapse). Fox News (and Republican operatives like Dick Armey) had co-opted the fledgling Tea Party within a month.

Astro-turf borne of a 'Wall Street' speculator and GOP operatives. Nothing more, nothing less.

Rick Santelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homeowners Affordability and Stability Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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