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Is Obama THAT bad?

You seem to assume there is a standard definition of what is racist. This is clearly not the case. Increasingly, with a generation of the self-righteous produce of an American educational system the word 'racism' has been bandied about to the point where it is rendered useless to all but those who tediously use it. It has essentially become an all-inclusive term to designate those-who-do-not-share-my-liberal-views-on-the-subject-of-race.

Sorry you see it that way. Others see it as simply calling it like it is. No other President has had his heritage under such scrutiny, no other President has been heckled by Congressmen during his State of the Union, no other President has endured as many filibusters of his programs or cabinet nominees and no other President has had a Senate leader who stated his only goal is to make Obama a one term Pres.. I'm am also sorry to inform you that racial equality is not a "liberal view", it's the law of the land.
 
It's because he is black.


THis ranks as one of the most idiotic posts I have seen on this board in almost 7 years
 
Sorry you see it that way. Others see it as simply calling it like it is. No other President has had his heritage under such scrutiny, no other President has been heckled by Congressmen during his State of the Union, no other President has endured as many filibusters of his programs or cabinet nominees and no other President has had a Senate leader who stated his only goal is to make Obama a one term Pres.. I'm am also sorry to inform you that racial equality is not a "liberal view", it's the law of the land.

Bush was heckled during the State of the Union. Please, it has been incredibly common throughout American history to have an obstinate Congress. Need we remind you of President Andrew Johnson? A lot of presidents had been criticized heavily for cabinet nominees.

Do you honestly believe this historically ridiculous nonsense? Did you expect people to accept it?
 
What's your time span for modern? 3 or 4 presidents? How can you be so sure of yourself a mere four years after Bush's administration ended?

I don't know that he was the "WOST" President in modern history, mostly because I don't think you can go down that road, and further, I think anyone who says that shows how short-sighted and foolish a man can be.

I'll ignore the insult and leave you with some"short-sighted and foolish" HISTORIANS critques of GW's disastrous Presidency, perhaps you memory is failing you.

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.
No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”
“With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct,” said another historian. “When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point—rightly—to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of areas: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life.”
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804
 
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Indeed. After Johnson and Huntsman bailed out, Obama's star went up.

I think Huntsman would have been really good for this country. It is really sad that he had no chance from the start.

Romney will do anything and say anything to win. Romney is scum.

Romney is still bitter from his past political failures and will do anything to prove that he can make it. But he can't

Santorum is the worst combination of welfare and social authoritarian. Socially Conservative, Fiscally Liberal. I will never vote for someone like that. .

Santorum is dangerously ignorant. That is all I will say about him.

Paul, I do like some of his policies but his economics bother me. Plus he has no chance anyways.

Ron Paul would make an amazing Secretary of State. His foreign policy would save America so much money. But his actual economic policies are scary.

Newt, the fact that no one he worked his will endorse him is sufficient evidence not to vote for him.

MOONBASE. I rest my case.
 
I'll ignore the insult and leave you with some"short-sighted and foolish" HISTORIANS critques of GW's disastrous Presidency



Worst. President. Ever.?By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

Historians don't get the first real release of documents until 20 years has passed. Don't use the Historian label to escape the discipline's reality in that they wait before writing their histories on the President's administration, and denigrate people who make bold claims on the "historical" record long before they can begin to authoritatively analyze such matters. They are acting as intellectuals at this moment, not as historians.
 
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There really is no way to analyze how good or bad a presidency is until decades after the effects have played out. Furthermore, the opinions change with time.
 
Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"?
Racism definitely exists, and pointing it out isn't playing the race card. Playing the race card is when someone accuses someone else of racism without any evidence. It's extremely common, maybe even more common than racism, and it causes 'the boy who cried wolf' effect. People are so accustomed to false accusations of racism, they tend to automatically disbelieve charges of racism. This causes harm to the victims of racism.
 
Bush was heckled during the State of the Union. Please, it has been incredibly common throughout American history to have an obstinate Congress. Need we remind you of President Andrew Johnson? A lot of presidents had been criticized heavily for cabinet nominees.

Do you honestly believe this historically ridiculous nonsense? Did you expect people to accept it?

Talk about ridiculous...... Andrew Johnson? And why can't you refute that no President has had as many fillibusters or so many blocked nominees? Because it is true
 
Just as I was merely reacting to Obama's own policies which brought race into his administration.

A moderator in this thread thinks that talking about how the President's policies can be racist, is in itself racism, so I fear we can't explore the topic under threat of being suspended or banned for hate-speech.

Don't dodge....What policies?
Or you could just admit you have made these "policies" up
 
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If by "my way or the highway" you are referring to Bush's famous "with us or with them" line I don't see the correlation. I do however see it when the reps went to Obama with ideas after he was elected and he basically told them to stfu, because he won.
You can't see where that unyielding attitude is in any way diplomatically unsound?

You'll have to give me something a little more specific than "reps went to Obama with ideas" if you expect a reply to that part. Which "reps", the same ones who watched the Collapse from DC? What "ideas", more Reaganomic voodoo?

Now for your other point about being unpatriotic when you oppose your leaders. All I heard when Bush was pres was it was patriotic to do just that.
I guess we were on opposite sides of the bar, then, because that's not what I heard. Oh, at some point, months after he started that crap, he came to realize the mess he was making and started playing it down. A little late by that time, though, the damage had already been done. Once you drive in a wedge, removing the wedge won't put the log back together.

Now all I hear is if you oppose obama policies you are being partisan, not working together, unpatriotic and even racist.
I haven't heard "unpatriotic" and I won't bother with the last at all. Saying someone is being partisan and uncooperative isn't a bad thing if it's true. You want an excellent example? I'll give you one. It's mid-December and the Senate has hashed out a deal to extend the payroll tax cut for two months, which they give to the House. (This was something both the Dems and Reps in the Senate negotiated.) A day later Boehner says OK. Two days later he does a 180° and says it's not good enough. Five days later the Senate Minority Leader a Republican tells Boehner he needs to accept this and move on. Yeah - when your own party is telling you to take the deal then you know you've gone too far down the road of partisanship and non-cooperation.

More:
John Boehner said flat-out, with no confusion that his #1 Job was to make sure Obama did not get re-elected. That was 6 months ago. That's beyond rhetoric - it's reckless and about as partisan as you can get.

The Super-Committee (deficit reduction) started out with the Dems saying "increase taxes, we won't reduce spending" and the Reps saying, "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes". The Dems came back with one dollar less spending for every dollar in taxes.
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
Dems: 2:1?
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
Dems: 4:1?
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
I'm sorry, at some point it's not negotiating anymore, it's being non-cooperative, and the Republicans have excelled at this in the last year.
 

Thank you for providing this link.

Here is the lead statement from your link:

"As attention turns to speculation that May 21, 2011, will be the Biblical day of rapture, Media Matters revisits a litany of fringe right-wing media figures who foretold that President Obama might just be the Antichrist - the latest in a long line of world leaders presaged as "the beast.""

Notice the words..."fringe right-wing media figures". Do you contend that these people constitute the conservative base? I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you could further defend that contention?
 
Thank you for providing this link.

Here is the lead statement from your link:

"As attention turns to speculation that May 21, 2011, will be the Biblical day of rapture, Media Matters revisits a litany of fringe right-wing media figures who foretold that President Obama might just be the Antichrist - the latest in a long line of world leaders presaged as "the beast.""

Notice the words..."fringe right-wing media figures". Do you contend that these people constitute the conservative base? I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you could further defend that contention?

I would like to clarify that I did not mean my statement literally. Although there were a few that took their dislike for Obama that far, I used it as a hyperbole.
 
To a liberal leftista Barack is bad as in BADASS. He came into the national spotlight as a virtual unknown, took on Hillary toe to toe and became the nominee and then prez. He put healthcare on the map that no other admin. Has done before. He has tried different things to boost the economy: cash for clunkers, stimilus, solyndra etc. He had the balls to give the kill OSBL even though his VP opposed it. He gave us contraception and continues the fight to raise revenues from the exploiting classes to be used to better America's infrastructure and public sector employment opportunities. He brought the troops home from iraq and has successfully thwarted terrorist attacks on our soil again and again. Repealed. DADT

Is he perfect, no, but has he pushed his agenda to the best of his ability. Yes, I think he has even though I don't agree with him.
 
I hope that is not it. Jerry - I think it is overly broad and not a bit disingenuous for to take the tact that YOU did NOT bring race into this because of the policies of President Obama even though you brought it up as racist.

To use your excuse - one can then bring race into almost anything with the fall back position that race is a part of America. Is that what you want to do?

Don't dodge....What policies?
Or you could just admit you have made these "policies" up

I sincerely apologize, but I don't need more infraction points or a suspension, so I must decline.

All due respect to the mod team and everyone in this thread. Good day :)
 
I would like to clarify that I did not mean my statement literally. Although there were a few that took their dislike for Obama that far, I used it as a hyperbole.

So...I can safely consider this a troll bait thread.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
So the best thing you can say about obama is he's "not that bad", LMAO.

I'll take "not that bad" compared to the Gop candidates any day of the week! Who wants the repeat of the Bush policies the GOP promises???
 
I'll take "not that bad" compared to the Gop candidates any day of the week! Who wants the repeat of the Bush policies the GOP promises???
Ron Paul doesn't wanna repeat Bush's policies, but Obama IS repeating Bush's policies. Bush increased spending and cut taxes. Bush didn't reform Fannie and Freddie or reinstate Glass Steagal, and Obama isn't doing that either. Then there's the Patriot Act, Gitmo, warrantless wiretaps, etc.
 
Ron Paul doesn't wanna repeat Bush's policies,

We are talking about people that could actually win the GOP nomination. The majority of Republicans think Ron Paul is nuts.


but Obama IS repeating Bush's policies. Bush increased spending and cut taxes.

Bush increased spending on the military and started two wars. Do you think Obama should have withdrawn all troops from both of the Bush wars immediately upon taking office. He's already ended the GOP war in Iraq, and is winding down the war in Afghanistan and has called for cuts in military spending.

The Gop candidates are calling for increased spending on the military.

Bush cut taxes for the rich. President Obama cut taxes for the working class, and has proposed eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.


Bush didn't reform Fannie and Freddie or reinstate Glass Steagal, and Obama isn't doing that either.

Fannie and Freddie didn't cause the financial crisis, and check out H.R. #1489 to reestablish the separation between investment banks and commercial banks.

Then there's the Patriot Act, Gitmo, warrantless wiretaps, etc.

No difference from the viable GOP candidates. The only hope to address those is add to the Democratic support in congress to end them.
 
So...I can safely consider this a troll bait thread.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not at all. Just because I used a hyperbole to draw in people to my thread does not make it troll bait. Since you are the first person to even bring it up, I assume that you are bitter because of the argument and are looking for ways to discredit it.
 
Not at all. Just because I used a hyperbole to draw in people to my thread does not make it troll bait. Since you are the first person to even bring it up, I assume that you are bitter because of the argument and are looking for ways to discredit it.

LOL!!!

No, dude...I'm not bitter at all. Hey, I gave my on-topic response already. That's enough for me.

Regardless, almost all of your posts in this thread have been designed to fan the flames. Sounds like troll-bait to me.
 
not worse than bush.........
 
How is it ridiculous and offensive to point out that the conservative base portays Obama to be horrible? It is merely an observation

It is ridiculous and offensive when you say this:

"The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be."

It's like saying the liberal base portrays Christians as haters of homosexuals, "practically."

There are numerous conservatives who don't view Obama as the "Anti-Christ," so trying to say they do, "practically," is a huge lie.
 
So...I can safely consider this a troll bait thread.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Indeed it is but it's not been taken care of.

If I made a short OP like this with similar inflammatory remarks it'd undoubtedly be flushed.
 
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