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Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

Can the Federal Government force a business to violate the owners religion?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • No

    Votes: 41 95.3%

  • Yes - but only if, like, it's, like, totally anachronistic, and stuff, like, cmon, man, stop whining

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    43
ecofarm said:
Jesus quoted and referenced the OT countless times. The OT is the Gospel of faith. The Law was never supposed to save, but serves other purposes.
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The New testament is the testament of Christ and Christianity. If you breaks the rules of Christianity don't expect to hide behind the religion in honesty. Those who preach hate aren't Christian just imposters or false prophets.
 
kenvin said:
The New testament is the testament of Christ and Christianity. If you breaks the rules of Christianity don't expect to hide behind the religion in honesty. Those who preach hate aren't Christian just imposters or false prophets.
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But you're not a Christian. Who are you to secularly define hate, try to put your view into the Bible, and expect Christians to live by your morals?

Consider ALL of the Book of Acts, for example. Consider ALL of the verses in the NT.

Don't speak to me about false prophets if you think ONLY the red text is valid.
 
What's next...government forcing snow cone stands to poor bacon drippings on ice?
 
Wake said:
But you're not a Christian. Who are you to secularly define hate, try to put your view into the Bible, and expect Christians to live by your morals?

Consider ALL of the Book of Acts, for example. Consider ALL of the verses in the NT.

Don't speak to me about false prophets if you think ONLY the red text is valid.
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I am a Christian son. I have been a pentacostal since I was 3. I know very well what the bible says as I was required to read it daily growing up. Also, it should go with out saying that the words of Christ matter most in Christianity. The entire new testament and bible are valid, but doesn't necessarily make the old testament relevant to a Christian. Christ was clear in his teachings. You need to read the bible.
 
Wake said:
But you're not a Christian. Who are you to secularly define hate, try to put your view into the Bible, and expect Christians to live by your morals?

Consider ALL of the Book of Acts, for example. Consider ALL of the verses in the NT.

Don't speak to me about false prophets if you think ONLY the red text is valid.
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I'd have way much more respect for the Christians you describe if they simply practiced to the best of their abilities to be living examples of their faith. In other words, "walk the walk" instead of "talk the talk", which seems to be commonplace.

And Wake, I don't think that you represent all their views and beliefs...(of all Christians).
 
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Removable Mind said:
I'd have way much more respect for the Christians you describe if they simply practiced to the best of their abilities to be living examples of their faith. In other words, "walk the walk" instead of "talk the talk", which seems to be commonplace.

And Wake, I don't think that you represent all their views and beliefs...(of all Christians).
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The EXACT same thing could be said to social liberals who change the Bible.

All of the KJV should be taken seriously, regarding Christianity. Not just the Red Text. Not just the commandments. Not just the OT. Etc.

You seem to assume Christians only talk the talk and not walk the walk. You'd be wrong. There are MANY Christians who only talk the talk. However, there are some who not only do the talking, but also the walking, per se.

That's one reason why I try to get people to not ignore the NT scriptures.
 
Wake said:
That's one reason why I try to get people to not ignore the NT scriptures.
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So you think that you can prevent people from kind of make up their own version as they go along?

Actually, the reality is that that's what most people do with the bible. People's belief systems are like finger prints...all different.

As far as changing the bible...that's been done probably thousands of times since its beginning. And way before social liberals came along.
 
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jimbo said:
Wouldn't not selling pork to non muslims because of your religious beliefs be discrimination?
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No barring non Muslims from buying anything would be discrimination.
 
If I own a Store in which I sell poontang....and government or anybody else wants to force me to sell "thingamabobs" along with the poontang...because I'm of a particular religion, creed, race...etc. I say that they are violating my Civil Rights.

Hey...don't like my not selling thingamabobs...up yours...go someplace else.
 
jimbo said:
Wouldn't not selling pork to non muslims because of your religious beliefs be discrimination?
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If you have pork in your store and refuse to sell it to non-Christians, that's discrimination. If you don't stock pork, then it's not discrimination. Discrimination has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
If you have pork in your store and refuse to sell it to non-Christians, that's discrimination. If you don't stock pork, then it's not discrimination. Discrimination has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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It absolutely is discrimination.
You're choosing not to sell something based on religious preference.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It absolutely is discrimination.
You're choosing not to sell something based on religious preference.
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Your being silly. Refusing service to black people in a store is not the same as not selling kosher hot dogs.
 
kenvin said:
Your being silly. Refusing service to black people in a store is not the same as not selling kosher hot dogs.
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your analogy is totally screwed up.

if someone has kosher hot dogs in stock, but refuses to sell them to Jews, that would be discrimination.

if someone has NO kosher hot dogs, because he is a Christian and doesn't believe in acknowledging kosher food rules, that's his damn right.
 
Thunder said:
your analogy is totally screwed up.

if someone has kosher hot dogs in stock, but refuses to sell them to Jews, that would be discrimination.

if someone has NO kosher hot dogs, because he is a Christian and doesn't believe in acknowledging kosher food rules, that's his damn right.
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If someone refuses service to an individual based on race, sex, religion, or national origin it is discrimination. In some states they throw in sexual orientation.

If you don't carry Halal food that is not discrimination.

This isn't hard to understand.
 
kenvin said:
If someone refuses service to an individual based on race, sex, religion, or national origin it is discrimination. In some states they throw in sexual orientation.

If you don't carry Halal food that is not discrimination.

This isn't hard to understand.
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yes, if you only carry kosher food, due to your religious views, that is NOT discrimination against non-Jews.

if you only sell Hallal food, due to the same reasons, again you are not discriminating against non-Muslims.


....however, if you have in stock Halaal chicken and kosher beans, but specifically don't sell such things to Jews & Muslims, then you're a dick...as you're discriminating.
 
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cpwill said:
I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
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Is there a constitutional right to eat pork that outweighs their right to practice their religion?

I don't think the government should be forcing contraception down the throats of catholics, but I do think the government has a far greater interest in doing that than in interfering with the decision of muslim grocers to sell pork.
 
Krhazy said:
Is there a constitutional right to eat pork that outweighs their right to practice their religion?

I don't think the government should be forcing contraception down the throats of catholics, but I do think the government has a far greater interest in doing that than in interfering with the decision of muslim grocers to sell pork.
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Where is the constitutional right to contraception?
 
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