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Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 40.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 54.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37
And everyone pays when you have a serious medical incident.

I addressed this already.

Syringe programs reduce the net cost to everyone else in the same way insurance reduces their payment for your medical procedures.

As I did here. This is a band aid.

It's fine to be against the program on moral grounds, but in terms of economic, you're a fool to want to shut down a cost saving program.

Morally I care less. Junkies can shoot up all day for all I care. When I have to start paying for it, I'm either saying no or going to accept extreme measures to stop it.

What government funded pub can I stop at to get free beer?
 
What government funded pub can I stop at to get free beer?
I don't know about "free" but beer is as regulated as any other food product as far as I know. Some government inspector no doubt inspected the facility where your brew was bottled - assuming it's domestic beer. If it isn't domestic then it was inspected by a different government's food inspectors.
 
Because you actually get to know someone over a long period of time before you stick a dick in them. Oh, the difficult concepts in life...

If only all society followed the strict moralistic parameters in whatever utopia fantasy of the past I have in my head!
 
I addressed this already.

And it was a poor argument.

As I did here. This is a band aid.

Indeed. But it's a cheaper band aid then surgery.

Morally I care less. Junkies can shoot up all day for all I care. When I have to start paying for it, I'm either saying no or going to accept extreme measures to stop it.

What government funded pub can I stop at to get free beer?

So I take it you are for refusing medical care to the uninsured and letting them die in the streets then? Btw, you are paying right now for the uninsured. You seem not to have a problem with that. So why do you have a problem with this?
 
Indeed. But it's a cheaper band aid then surgery.

As is drilling for all the oil we could possibly find.

So I take it you are for refusing medical care to the uninsured and letting them die in the streets then? Btw, you are paying right now for the uninsured. You seem not to have a problem with that. So why do you have a problem with this?

I have no problem in not paying for self inflicted wounds. Dying in the streets would be on the list of options for junkies.
 
I have no problem in not paying for self inflicted wounds. Dying in the streets would be on the list of options for junkies.

So you support euthanasia towards social goals... or I'd rather say the death of all concerned people and all those unwittingly affected by them because needles are hard to obtain, because it is congruent with your subjective higher moral standards. Even though distributing needles could save thousands of lives and millions in cost to society. It is better that they die and we make waste and suffering that you and those who think like you can be satisfied at the end of the day that you satisfied whatever little monster of ego resides deep inside you. Just to prevent others from doing something that doesn't affect you and even saves you money. I suppose you'd close down anyone printing materials educating heroin users not to share needles in the first place.


I could be wrong. But thats what Im feeling here.
 
If only all society followed the strict moralistic parameters in whatever utopia fantasy of the past I have in my head!

If only people had a brain, you mean? :roll:
 
If only people had a brain, you mean? :roll:
Because if a leopard somehow wandered into your neighborhood your response would be to stay indoors at night when it's on the prowl? If it killed someone, well, they were stupid for going outside after dusk?
 
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Because if a leopard somehow wandered into your neighborhood your response would be to stay indoors at night when it's on the prowl? If it killed someone, well, they were stupid for going outside after dusk?

I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.

People need to be responsible for their own actions. Stop coddling these idiots.
 
If only people had a brain, you mean?

Wait, they'd be following a delusion, yet that delusion is yours.. and would therefore have these 'brains' as you call them.

:coffeepap

At least you accept it's a regressivist delusion.
 
I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.

People need to be responsible for their own actions. Stop coddling these idiots.

It's about costs to society.. you see, unless we enforce a gestapo state of somesort to round them all up and execute them, they're going to use the needles which may be dirty. They also mingle amongst the public and are difficult to distinguish from other people. Since your bizzarro moral framework cannot be forced upon all of society we have to accept that people are free to ****. This may bother you but some people are hot and find other people and **** quickly after meeting eachother and for hours at a time thereafter. Some of the contraception is only in pill form and people have the freedom to lie as to when the last time they were tested for stds. So by adding a little more freedom, the freedom of getting clean needles and education on not how to die or become diseased using heroin... we can all become much freer by not having to share the increased costs in healthcare.
 
It's about costs to society.. you see, unless we enforce a gestapo state of somesort to round them all up and execute them, they're going to use the needles which may be dirty. They also mingle amongst the public and are difficult to distinguish from other people. Since your bizzarro moral framework cannot be forced upon all of society we have to accept that people are free to ****. This may bother you but some people are hot and find other people and **** quickly after meeting eachother and for hours at a time thereafter. Some of the contraception is only in pill form and people have the freedom to lie as to when the last time they were tested for stds. So by adding a little more freedom, the freedom of getting clean needles and education on not how to die or become diseased using heroin... we can all become much freer by not having to share the increased costs in healthcare.

No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

That's where you fail.
 
I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.

No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

That's where you fail.
If you could somehow kill every needle-using junkie in America you would still have HIV. Should we kill everyone that has ever had unprotected sex while we're at it? OK, you've still got HIV running around. Who do we kill next? How many must die in your jihad before you admit that even people who have done nothing wrong are infected, too?
 
No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

That's where you fail.

Your standards... when you become Stalin of the USA and are endowed by the gods of repression to decide for yourself what standards should be for all humans and can enforce them maybe I'll listen. Until then you need to recognize that your solutions to the issue are either illegal or dangerous to the rest of society. To attain the net sum of zero in an aids pandemic and refusal of healthcare to those that don't meet your lofty moral standards (the irony), would that holocaust of neglect and anarchy be saaay... Hitler Sized or Stalin sized?
 
I support the legalization of every drug known to humankind. And that includes all paraphernalia used to deliver those drugs.
 
Okay- just for grins- pretend that I have a friend who is an addict and a needle-user. As long as I'm not an addict, and am not using his needles, nor having sex with him, there is virtually no chance that I am going to contract aids from him/her.

But you cannot say for sure that if he was not your friend and HIV was endemic in society simply because government couldn't be bothered to control the problem, then yes, it gets to a point where it endangers everybody in society. Unfortunately, condoms are not 100% gaurentors of your sexual health, nor unfortunately is it uncommon throughout our lives to have sexual encounters without using condoms especially amongst our youth. This lack of responsibility by government is pure negligence. People with HIV are not always easy to spot, and many are even unaware of that they have it. We already see tragic cases of infection on a daily basis.

Society needs to have offspring in order to help contribute towards its continuation - the problem of needles spreading infection is serious enough to realize that it can get to a point where HIV is widespread enough that having infected offspring is normal. With the growing problem of drug use, the increasing number of people getting infected, i think its definetly within reason to consider these scenarios.

But perhaps above all the drain on healthcare is the biggest problem you as an American citizen will increasingly face.
 
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But you cannot say for sure that if he was not your friend and HIV was endemic in society simply because government couldn't be bothered to control the problem, then yes, it gets to a point where it endangers everybody in society.

I am endangered in no way nor is there any chance I will be.
 
I am endangered in no way nor is there any chance I will be.
Vegetarians pay for meat inspections and I'm just as sure they have zero chance of infection from bad meat. In fact, if we all just cooked our food correctly then there wouldn't be any contamination and we could save a ton of money. Does that mean we should stop inspecting meat plants and processing facilities?
 
I am endangered in no way nor is there any chance I will be.

I wasn't endangered by Saddam... and statistically more likely to be killed by rabid weasels or drowning in a collapsed septic tank in my back yard than killed by Al-Qaeda.
I am not endangered...... not I ... as in me

me.... mee.... MEEE. MEEEEEEE!!!!

:coffeepap
 
In the United States, many people diagnosed with HIV are infected by dirty needles used to inject themselves with drugs.

Thanks to the War on Drugs, one of the biggest demographics in US prisons are convicted drug users, in a country that has stigmatized drug use and treats addicts as criminals, treating everything but the root cause itself.

Drug addiction is a very real thing - the prison system has thus far been ineffectual and so has every drugs policy pursued by every President since this problem began.

But now that components of the US government want to pull the plug on the syringe-exchange program, where does that leave us? Does encouraging the use of dirty needles dissuade addicts from taking the drug? What impact will this have on rates of infection across America?

Do you support the termination of the syringe-exchange program?

Congressional GOP Wants To End Federal Needle Exchange Program

Would have to give it some more thought on the subject but I agree that there is not enough to get at the root of the problem. I believe it should be addressed in schools as a class starting very young and addressed each year in school through the grades. Give extensive education on the issue starting when they're young showing the damage drugs cause individually, family, society, etc
 
I wasn't endangered by Saddam... and statistically more likely to be killed by rabid weasels or drowning in a collapsed septic tank in my back yard than killed by Al-Qaeda.
I am not endangered
Who told you that and why did you believe them?
 
I'm fine with ending it. But I'm also good with ending the entire war on drugs.
 
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