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Bargain With Iran

Make the Deal?

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drz-400 said:
The UN has not decided 'strike' Iran.
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And neither should we. That is my point. Let's not repeat the costly blunder we made in Iraq.
 
Catawba said:
And neither should we. That is my point. Let's not repeat the costly blunder we made in Iraq.
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The main difference between Iran and Iraq, among other things, is that the Iranian Regime comprises of dedicated Islamic Fundamentalists, who are giving off all the signs of wanting a serious fight!
 
Mya said:
The main difference between Iran and Iraq, among other things, is that the Iranian Regime comprises of dedicated Islamic Fundamentalists, who are giving off all the signs of wanting a serious fight!
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It'd be kind of serious if Iran occupied Mexico and Canada I bet they'd have the audacity to say they'd hit us If we wanted a nuke to stop them from invading or something.
 
Mya said:
The main difference between Iran and Iraq, among other things, is that the Iranian Regime comprises of dedicated Islamic Fundamentalists, who are giving off all the signs of wanting a serious fight!
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So why did we go to war against Iraq?
 
Catawba said:
So why did we go to war against Iraq?
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We went to war with Iraq ( Australia went too) for various reasons, chemical warfare against the Kurds, supposed possession of WMD and to finish the job Bush Senior had started ( Kuwait).


Iran is shaping up to become an enemy with which a war may become inevitable for the reasons I have explained in all my post above, .... Iraq was a different story completely.
 
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phattonez said:
Simply put, if Iran offered to end their nuclear program if we dismantled some of our nuclear weapons, would you take the offer?
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Absolutely not. There is no reason to bargain with this country , that would weaken the US position as a world power amongst other reasons.
 
Catawba said:
Which sounds just as threatening as what they are saying about Iran now.
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The truth is that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program because it has every intention of attacking the petrodollar system and it believes (rather foolishly) that an arsenal of ballistic nukes will give them strategic leverage against the threat of any American military defense of the petrodollar system.
 
Mya said:
went to war with Iraq ( Australia went too) for various reasons, chemical warfare against the Kurds, supposed possession of WMD and to finish the job Bush Senior had started ( Kuwait).
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You've got your history a little mixed up. We were Saddam's ally when he was at his murderous worst! Reagan had Iraq removed from the Terrorist Nations Listing, and Rumsfeld was over there shmoozing it up with Saddam. Our companies even provided the precursor for the illegal mustard gas that he used. There was no proof of WMD, just like there is no proof Iran is a threat to the US now.


Iran is shaping up to become an enemy with which a war may become inevitable for the reasons I have explained in all my post above, .... Iraq was a different story completely.
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That's exactly what they warned about Iraq.
 
Sig said:
The truth is that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program because it has every intention of attacking the petrodollar system and it believes (rather foolishly) that an arsenal of ballistic nukes will give them strategic leverage against the threat of any American military defense of the petrodollar system.
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Regardless, they are of no military threat to the US.
 
Mya said:
We went to war with Iraq ( Australia went too) for various reasons, chemical warfare against the Kurds, supposed possession of WMD and to finish the job Bush Senior had started ( Kuwait).
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Make no mistake about it. The Iraq War was our response to Saddam Hussein trading in petroeuros. Why do you think we did not just plant some evidence of WMDs while we were tear-assing around Iraq? We could have done so quite easily.

We did not plant such evidence for the simple reason that we wanted to make one specific point crystal clear for all concerned parties: Start trading crude oil for something other than dollars and we will turn your nation inside out and hang you with your own rope.
 
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Catawba said:
Regardless, they are of no military threat to the US.
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Which is why it is foolish for Iran to continue with their nuclear arms program. It's not going to deter us. To the contrary, it will only serve to provide us a defensible argument for attacking them.

Nevetheless, this appears to be the course which Iran is continuing to pursue.
 
Sig said:
Which is why it is foolish for Iran to continue with their nuclear arms program. It's not going to deter us. To the contrary, it will only serve to provide us a defensible argument for attacking them.

Nevetheless, this appears to be the course which Iran is continuing to pursue.
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I agree.


But its ok,,,, Iran will see the Light soon .... the nuclear light!
 
Catawba said:
And neither should we. That is my point. Let's not repeat the costly blunder we made in Iraq.
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I have already responded in post 93 how this is different from Iraq. However, I think the point you are making is Iran is not a threat to the US. This is an uninformed analysis because you are not taking into account the threat Iran is to one of our closest allies, Israel. One cannot deny that Iran pursuing nuclear weapons is a threat to Israel. The US being concerned and a reliable Allie to Israel is certainly in our self interest.
 
Mya said:
I agree.


But its ok,,,, Iran will see the Light soon .... the nuclear light!
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So you believe that America or Israel should actually stop Iran's nuclear weapons program by what... initiating a nuclear attack on Iran? Or are you just trying to be cute? Seriously, we need to know...
 
Sig said:
Which is why it is foolish for Iran to continue with their nuclear arms program. It's not going to deter us. To the contrary, it will only serve to provide us a defensible argument for attacking them.

Nevetheless, this appears to be the course which Iran is continuing to pursue.
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It seems to me that bluff and bluster is the way of many in the middle east who aren't allowed to have the same weapons we possess. It doesn't change fact they are still of no military threat to us.
 
drz-400 said:
I have already responded in post 93 how this is different from Iraq. However, I think the point you are making is Iran is not a threat to the US. This is an uninformed analysis because you are not taking into account the threat Iran is to one of our closest allies, Israel. One cannot deny that Iran pursuing nuclear weapons is a threat to Israel. The US being concerned and a reliable Allie to Israel is certainly in our self interest.
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Isreal has hundreds of nukes. They more than outmatch Iran in that regard.
 
Catawba said:
You let me know what I got wrong, How about that? Be sure to include your sources. Thanks!
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You left the part out about why we supported Iraq. But go ahead and keep lying, how about that. I don't need sources, it's common knowledge, and everyone here sees what you're doing. But that's typical of your debate style and why only extreme-nuts take you seriously.
 
Catawba said:
Isreal has hundreds of nukes. They more than outmatch Iran in that regard.
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:lamo So that means Israel has no concern if Iran develops nuclear weapons (and goes against an international treaty doing so). Are you being serious?
 
drz-400 said:
:lamo So that means Israel has no concern if Iran develops nuclear weapons (and goes against an international treaty doing so). Are you being serious?
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A technicality violation does not a military threat make. Iraq had technical violations of their UN agreement, and was of no more of a threat than is Iran.
 
Catawba said:
A technicality violation does not a military threat make. Iraq had technical violations of their UN agreement, and was of no more of a threat than is Iran.
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I disagree, Iran supports well known enemies of Israel such as Hezbollah and Hamas. If Iran were to develop nuclear weapons, it would certainly tip the scale of power in the region away from Israel. It is very easy to see why Israel IS be concerned. Should Israel choose to attack, the US being a strong allie of israel should support the country, and that could very well include some military force.
 
drz-400 said:
I disagree, Iran supports well known enemies of Israel such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
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We have provided much, much more direct support for Israel, a well known enemy of Palestine and Iran.


If Iran were to develop nuclear weapons, it would certainly tip the scale of power in the region away from Israel.
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Yes, it would provide a parity that does not currently exist. Such parity is necessary for any serious negotiations for peace.

It is very easy to see why Israel IS be concerned.
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Its easier for me to see that Iran has more reason for concern than does Israel. Israel is the one that is threatening to attack, and actually has the means to do so.

Should Israel choose to attack, the US being a strong allie of israel should support the country, and that could very well include some military force.
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If Israel is stupid enough to attack Iraq without clearing it with us, they are on their own as far as I am concerned.
 
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Catawba said:
We have provided much, much more direct support for Israel a well known enemy of Palestine and Iran.
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No ****, Israel is one of our strongest allies. Did you miss my earlier points?

Catawba said:
Yes, it would provide a parity that does not currently exist. Such parity is necessary for any serious negotiations for peace.
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I could not disagree more. Its like you forget everything we have talked about. Nuclear Iran most likely will provoke war. That is what we are arguing about this entire time. If Iran stops its pursuits of nuclear weapons, no war.

Catawba said:
Its easier for me to see that Iran has more reason for concern than does Israel. Israel is the one that is threatening to attack, and actually has the means to do so.
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No ****, Isreal is threatening to attack because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran can easily stop doing that, which is what we an Israel want. Do you see why we are imposing economic sanctions and threatening attack now?

Catawba said:
If Israel is stupid enough to attack Iraq without clearing it with us, they are on their own as far as I am concerned.
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The US should stand up for its allies, especially one of its closest like Israel. Not doing so would weaken our credibility and respect abroad and hurt our national interests.
 
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