• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    Votes: 64 50.8%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    Votes: 20 15.9%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 10 7.9%

  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 18 14.3%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    Votes: 7 5.6%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Total voters
    126
Status
Not open for further replies.
TurtleDude said:
well given I was the executor of my parents (both of them) estates and there was the death tax involved, I certainly know more than you will ever know on this
Click to expand...
if you were the executor, then you should understand that the act of their death was not taxed. why do you keep pushing the false terminology? no such thing as a death tax
 
randel said:
if you were the executor, then you should understand that the act of their death was not taxed. why do you keep pushing the false terminology? no such thing as a death tax
Click to expand...

I guess you haven't figured out that calling this abomination the death tax is not the same as saying death is taxed

rather its the act of death that triggers the tax
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you haven't figured out that calling this abomination the death tax is not the same as saying death is taxed

rather its the act of death that triggers the tax
Click to expand...
no, it is not....their deaths were not taxed, death does not trigger the tax....it is the passing on of assets, hence, why it is called 'inheritance tax'....only when someone else receives the windfall, be it property or whatever, is there any tax...
 
Last edited:
randel said:
no, it is not....their deaths were not taxed, death does not trigger the tax....it is the passing on of assets, hence, why it is called 'inheritance tax'....only when someone else receives the windfall, be it property or whatever, is their any tax...
Click to expand...


mendacious quibbling of the most dishonest order.

and you are lying-the tax is imposed before ANYONE receives what the envious call a "windfall"
 
TurtleDude said:
mendacious quibbling of the most dishonest order.

and you are lying-the tax is imposed before ANYONE receives what the envious call a "windfall"
Click to expand...
breaking out the 'envy' term again, means you know your argument is full of holes......constantly calling it a 'death tax' is very dishonest.
 
randel said:
breaking out the 'envy' term again, means you know your argument is full of holes......constantly calling it a 'death tax' is very dishonest.
Click to expand...

whining about what term is applied is childish

and my argument is sound-no one should be taxed or everyone should be taxed the same flat rate
 
TurtleDude said:
Only someone enamored with the government taking more money from productive people could possibly claim such a thing
Click to expand...
Given a choice between the rich and the middle class the GOP will screw the middle class, the real producers of society, every time. I'm pretty sure haymarket isn't one of the GOP-backing sloths that inhabit the Country Clubs so you must be in error.
 
TurtleDude said:
whining about what term is applied is childish

and my argument is sound-no one should be taxed or everyone should be taxed the same flat rate
Click to expand...
lol...yet you have been 'whining' for quite awhile now...it is what it is, and it isnt a 'death tax' no matter how you spin it.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Given a choice between the rich and the middle class the GOP will screw the middle class, the real producers of society, every time. I'm pretty sure haymarket isn't one of the GOP-backing sloths that inhabit the Country Clubs so you must be in error.
Click to expand...

wrong again-not screwing the winners is not hurting the losers or wannabees.

"sloths that inhabit country clubs"

and some claim that ENVY has nothing to do with these posts-or is it spite or jealousy
 
TurtleDude said:
mendacious quibbling of the most dishonest order.

and you are lying-the tax is imposed before ANYONE receives what the envious call a "windfall"
Click to expand...

Actually, randel, in his explanation of the fallacy of the term death tax, nailed it to the wall.... that among other things.
 
randel said:
lol...yet you have been 'whining' for quite awhile now...it is what it is, and it isnt a 'death tax' no matter how you spin it.
Click to expand...

death tax and estate tax are interchangeable and your evasions based on what I call it are uber-dishonest

and its people like you who whine-you whine about the rich,
you whine about the poor being poor because of the rich
in fact isn't whining a necessary part of being a union advocate? I deal with unions all the time and whining is an art they have perfected
 
TurtleDude said:
whining about what term is applied is childish

and my argument is sound-no one should be taxed or everyone should be taxed the same flat rate
Click to expand...

We all already agreed that the use of the term death tax is childish in view of the reality that there is no such thing.
 
haymarket said:
Actually, randel, in his explanation of the fallacy of the term death tax, nailed it to the wall.... that among other things.
Click to expand...


wow you are agreeing with a fellow traveler

color me shocked. we know that the people most enamored with the government taking more wealth are the ones most upset with term death tax
 
haymarket said:
We all already agreed that the use of the term death tax is childish in view of the reality that there is no such thing.
Click to expand...


three or four of the wealth haters have agreed. But the IRS uses the term as well as tons of writers, commentators and ordinary people
 
TurtleDude said:
well the most famous line from that great movie would be a most appropriate response to many of your questions I suspect
Click to expand...

What!?!?!?! You don't know nuthin' about birthin' no babies?!?!?!?!?!?
 
TurtleDude said:
several of us already educated you on the fact that the term neologism is not accurately applied to death tax
Click to expand...

You need to educate Wikipedia. Their article still correctly identifies it as such. I wonder why you don't correct that? Or perhaps they have already shown you the respect that suggestion merits.

The term "death tax" is a neologism used by policy makers and critics to describe the estate tax in a way that conveys additional meaning. The terms "death duties" and "inheritance taxes" are also sometimes used.

Political use of "death tax" as a synonym for "estate tax" was encouraged by Jack Faris of the National Federation of Independent Business[46] during the Speakership of Newt Gingrich.
Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not".[47
Click to expand...

You are merely following the political marching orders of right wing opinion makers.
 
Last edited:
TurtleDude said:
so how come even the IRS uses that term
Click to expand...
An irs.gov link would be nice to back that up. Otherwise it's just more sloth poop.

TurtleDude said:
its amusing watching the wealth looters so upset at that term
Click to expand...
I thought it was the wealth looters using that term. Labor is about the only wealth a producer has to offer.
 
TurtleDude said:
three or four of the wealth haters have agreed. But the IRS uses the term as well as tons of writers, commentators and ordinary people
Click to expand...
who hates 'wealth' or those who are wealthy?
 
MoSurveyor said:
An irs.gov link would be nice to back that up. Otherwise it's just more sloth poop.

I thought it was the wealth looters using that term. Labor is about the only wealth a producer has to offer.
Click to expand...

I realize you are just a newbie on this board but this very topic was exhausted a while before you came and several posters linked to IRS sites that proved that the IRS uses the term "state death taxes" in its Rule 627 (IIRC) letters

Indeed the one I received from the IRS on my mother's estate was where I mentioned that. The wealth haters claimed I was lying but other posters proved It was true. You can go look for it-I have not the time to educate newbies when it is a settled issue
 
TurtleDude said:
"sloths that inhabit country clubs"

and some claim that ENVY has nothing to do with these posts-or is it spite or jealousy
Click to expand...
If you don't know the answer to that question then what you're doing is just slinging mud while fishing in a mud muddle. Yes, the GOP is very good at that.
 
haymarket said:
That still don't prove you know nuthin' about birthin' no babies.
Click to expand...

I don't, I let the OB/GYN do that when my son was born. A man's got to know his limitations

later
 
TurtleDude said:
I realize you are just a newbie on this board but this very topic was exhausted a while before you came and several posters linked to IRS sites that proved that the IRS uses the term "state death taxes" in its Rule 627 (IIRC) letters
Click to expand...
If it was from the Bush 201 times then you may well be correct. The question is, does it still hold?


Ed:
Also, if the IRS is simply quoting a State tax code title that does NOT mean the IRS recognizes it as such.
 
Last edited:
TurtleDude said:
I realize you are just a newbie on this board but this very topic was exhausted a while before you came and several posters linked to IRS sites that proved that the IRS uses the term "state death taxes" in its Rule 627 (IIRC) letters

Indeed the one I received from the IRS on my mother's estate was where I mentioned that. The wealth haters claimed I was lying but other posters proved It was true. You can go look for it-I have not the time to educate newbies when it is a settled issue
Click to expand...

Yes , mentioned it - never did more.

And reality says otherwise no matter how dear you cling to the silly neologism of the political extremists.

The really sad thing - to the point of being downright pathetic - is the insistence on the completely dishonest "death tax" label prevents any honest discussion of the merits of the inheritance tax. I wonder if that light bulb of realization ever goes off over the heads of those who use it?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom