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which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    Votes: 64 50.8%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    Votes: 20 15.9%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 10 7.9%

  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 18 14.3%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    Votes: 7 5.6%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Total voters
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lizzie said:
There are no Libertarians in congress (afaik), and the only one I know of who describes himself as libertarian is Ron Paul, who did not vote for the Iraq war.
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Yep, Ron Paul is a Republican, that's why I asked Centinel for clarification of what he meant.
 
Catawba said:
None voted against the Iraq war, or none got elected in order to be able to vote against it?

Which Libertarians voted against the Iraq war?
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I have no idea. The government does what it does without my participation. The government of the US went to war against Iraq. I had nothing to do with it.
 
Centinel said:
I have no idea. The government does what it does without my participation. The government of the US went to war against Iraq. I had nothing to do with it.
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If you don't vote, your opinion carries no weight in how the country is run. By not voting, you did nothing to stop us from going to war with Iraq.
 
Catawba said:
If you don't vote, your opinion carries no weight in how the country is run.
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Do I also need to vote for my local gang leaders and mafia bosses?

By not voting, you did nothing to stop us from going to war with Iraq.
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Don't say "us". I didn't go to war with Iraq.
 
lizzie said:
You don't have to have alot of money to think that capitalism is the most successful and workable economic model going. If I wanted to, I could make much more money than I do, however my priorities in life don't dictate that I do this. I am not materialistic, but I do think that materialism is as valid as my own priorities. We are each individuals, with different interests and capabilities. If someone wants to use his industry and energy to build a financial empire, he/she has my full support, as long as he's not stepping on my toes. There's not a zero-sum game of money. Those who generate alot of money are not taking it from the poor or from anyone else. Those who buy goods and services which make someone wealthy are willingly paying for those goods and services, and are not being coerced by anyone else.
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It's not capitalism I have issue with, it's the supposed purity of your Fairyland that I question. You seemed to be saying capitalist were above theft as a way of life and I was merely pointing out an obvious and big contradiction to that ideal that's happening right now, today, before we even get to your Fairyland world. You guys can't even resolve on paper some of the problems that any government will have, so you put on blinders and keep repeating your mantras hoping those problems will go away. Much good may it do you.

lizzie said:
If you are envious of those who have more than you, it reflects on your own character, and not that of those you envy.
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I don't envy them any more than you might envy a gangster with his troop and all their firepower out looking for a "good time". I explained this to TurlteDude earlier. You're either too short-sighted to see that position or so full of your own self-righteousness you believe all opposition must be impure.
 
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Centinel said:
The government does what it does without my participation. The government of the US went to war against Iraq. I had nothing to do with it.
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If you meet the qualifications of an American voter than everything the government does it does in your name. That's the nature of the beast.
Centinel said:
Do I also need to vote for my local gang leaders and mafia bosses?
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If you mean mayors and governors then, yes you should, even if you do nothing more than write in your local Libertarian leader's name.
Centinel said:
Don't say "us". I didn't go to war with Iraq.
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Yes, you did. Just by being a (non-felon) American citizen over the age of 18 you are part of the System. That's what being an American is and voting is one of the most important Rights we are given, a Right that millions of good people have died to defend. If you chose not to exercise that Right, leaving your future in the hands of others, that is one of your options but it doesn't free you of the responsibility. This isn't some child's playground where you can say, "Take it back, I don't want it". The responsibility is yours, like it or not.


And here I thought you were actually concerned about the well-being of America. If you don't vote then you've proved that assumption wrong.
 
MoSurveyor said:
It's not capitalism I have issue with, it's the supposed purity of your Fairyland that I question. You seemed to be saying capitalist were above theft as a way of life and I was merely pointing out an obvious and big contradiction to that ideal that's happening right now, today, before we even get to your Fairyland world. You guys can't even resolve on paper some of the problems that any government will have, so you put on blinders and keep repeating your mantras hoping those problems will go away. Much good may it do you.
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There are no blinders on, and the mantras are reality looming ahead, whether or not you and others can accept it.

MoSurveyor said:
I don't envy them any more than you might envy a gangster with his troop and all their firepower out looking for a "good time". I explained this to TurlteDude earlier. You're either too short-sighted to see that position or so full of your own self-righteousness you believe all opposition must be impure.
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If you didn't envy them, you wouldn't care about the issue of what they do with their money.
 
Centinel said:
Do I also need to vote for my local gang leaders and mafia bosses?
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If you don't vote, you give away your biggest voice in how the government is run.


Don't say "us". I didn't go to war with Iraq.
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You didn't do everything in your power to stop it. As far as I am concerned, that is support.
 
lizzie said:
If you didn't envy them, you wouldn't care about the issue of what they do with their money.
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LOL! That's either good, sound circular logic or extreme short-sightedness - either one of which fits many a Fairyland out there.


Apparently you DO envy those gang members and their guns. Com'on, you can admit it.
 
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lizzie said:
If you didn't envy them, you wouldn't care about the issue of what they do with their money.
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Is the fact that a consumer economy requires consumers to prosper really that difficult a concept to understand?
 
lizzie said:
There are no blinders on, and the mantras are reality looming ahead, whether or not you and others can accept it.
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Are you also part of that non-voting group out there? If so, I'd like to hear how you think your mantras will become reality.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Are you also part of that non-voting group out there? If so, I'd like to hear how you think your mantras will become reality.
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A very good question. Over the past ten years I have found that there is a type of person who embraces a libertarian ideology but will not involve themselves with the formal party for various reasons - I suspect the practical results which are fairly horrible when they count the votes. They know that their ideology and platform is NOT shared by many Americans so they shun actual grass roots organizing and politics in favor of what they believe is a new wave of proselytizing as ideological missionaries - and that is where we come in here. They spend the time they could be using in actual political organizing preaching on sites like this one hoping to convince the gullible or young. Their targets are the kid who just read Rand or Heinlein and may be something of a social misfit.

They really believe that their 'revolution' will be won in this way.
 
randel said:
what is unbelievable is that this is the response you give...seriously, read my post, then think about it....is an inventor/entreprenuer/ visonary going to be able to everything necessary to bring their product/idea/innovation to market by themselves? or are they going to require laborers at some point? now please dispense with the snarky replies, and answer my question. no need to insult everyone you disagree with, we have enough of those around here already.
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You should seriously read your own post, then think about it yourself.

The creator improves the lives of humanity with a new idea, which further creates jobs for those who desire to improve their own.

Unless they are slaves, the people doing the physical labor are in no way contributing, but rather benefiting from the idea of another.

My statement was not a "snarky reply" but rather my true sentiments regarding someone who can't see the obvious fallacies in their own argument.
 
presluc said:
Not being sarcastic here but is the following fact true or false?

The more people that have jobs the more people paying taxes , the more people paying taxes the less taxes people will have to pay.:peace
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The normal knee-jerk response would be true, but those who have been paying close attention are well aware that it is false.

Government's track record has been to spend every penny it taxes, prints, borrows and steals and is forever seeking more-more-more.
 
Empirica said:
You should seriously read your own post, then think about it yourself.

The creator improves the lives of humanity with a new idea, which further creates jobs for those who desire to improve their own.

Unless they are slaves, the people doing the physical labor are in no way contributing, but rather benefiting from the idea of another.

My statement was not a "snarky reply" but rather my true sentiments regarding someone who can't see the obvious fallacies in their own argument.
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answer my questions in the post....having an idea is one thing, being able to bring it to market, is another...and yes, your statement was 'snarky', you dismiss out of hand what you don't agree with, putting no thought into my response. i answered your question about age and education, what about you? how old, and what education?
 
MoSurveyor said:
If you meet the qualifications of an American voter than everything the government does it does in your name. That's the nature of the beast.
If you mean mayors and governors then, yes you should, even if you do nothing more than write in your local Libertarian leader's name.
Yes, you did. Just by being a (non-felon) American citizen over the age of 18 you are part of the System. That's what being an American is and voting is one of the most important Rights we are given, a Right that millions of good people have died to defend. If you chose not to exercise that Right, leaving your future in the hands of others, that is one of your options but it doesn't free you of the responsibility. This isn't some child's playground where you can say, "Take it back, I don't want it". The responsibility is yours, like it or not.


And here I thought you were actually concerned about the well-being of America. If you don't vote then you've proved that assumption wrong.
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Thank you. You have given me some serious food for thought. I think that my decision not to vote may have been a mistake,
 
Empirica said:
You should seriously read your own post, then think about it yourself.

The creator improves the lives of humanity with a new idea, which further creates jobs for those who desire to improve their own.

Unless they are slaves, the people doing the physical labor are in no way contributing, but rather benefiting from the idea of another.

My statement was not a "snarky reply" but rather my true sentiments regarding someone who can't see the obvious fallacies in their own argument.
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Well, where are the jobs resulting from the lowest tax rate on inheritance in 80 years???
 
randel said:
answer my questions in the post....having an idea is one thing, being able to bring it to market, is another...and yes, your statement was 'snarky', you dismiss out of hand what you don't agree with, putting no thought into my response. i answered your question about age and education, what about you? how old, and what education?
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I did answer and in fact feel rather foolish for providing an ever so obvious answer to such a ridiculous question.

I don't enjoy stooping to the ground level of those who are grossly inferior and will be more careful in the future.
 
I would wager inheritance is the single largest contributor to wealth inequality and absence of equality of opportunity this side of compound interest or the mortgage interest deduction.
 
Tomfoolery said:
I would wager inheritance is the single largest contributor to wealth inequality and absence of equality of opportunity this side of compound interest or the mortgage interest deduction.
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Definitely a large part of it, and not surprising at all since for the last decade the inheritance tax rate has been the lowest it has been in 80 years.
 
Catawba said:
Well, where are the jobs resulting from the lowest tax rate on inheritance in 80 years???
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WTF does that have to do with reality. that's like asking where are the jobs resulting from getting rid of discrimination against gays in the army
 
Catawba said:
Definitely a large part of it, and not surprising at all since for the last decade the inheritance tax rate has been the lowest it has been in 80 years.
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but still much higher than it was for most of the first 150 years of our country's history

and why do people who don't face a death tax spend so much time whining that the rates on others are too low?
 
TurtleDude said:
but still much higher than it was for most of the first 150 years of our country's history

and why do people who don't face a death tax spend so much time whining that the rates on others are too low?
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Why do people ask the same rhetorical question for a hundred days in a row and get a clear answer in return continue to ask the same question? Is it for the benefit of actual debate or to make themselves feel good about their own self imposed belief system revolving around their own self interest above the nation?

Here is the answer and it has not changed: American citizens have a right - some may even say a civic obligation as citizens - to voice their opinion about matters of national policy which effect and impact a nation of 311 million people. And that is regardless of it it directly helps or hurts them.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change tomorrow.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next week.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next month.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next year.
 
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haymarket said:
Why do people ask the same rhetorical question for a hundred days in a row and get a clear answer in return continue to ask the same question? Is it for the benefit of actual debate or to make themselves feel good about their own self imposed belief system revolving around their own self interest above the nation?

Here is the answer and it has not changed: American citizens have a right - some may even say a civic obligation as citizens - to voice their opinion about matters of national policy which effect and impact a nation of 311 million people. And that is regardless of it it directly helps or hurts them.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change tomorrow.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next week.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next month.

This answer and the truth behind it will not change next year.
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envy and jealousy

spite and bitterness

put them in a blender and you get support for the death tax
 
TurtleDude said:
WTF does that have to do with reality. that's like asking where are the jobs resulting from getting rid of discrimination against gays in the army
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You really don't know what historical fact has to do with reality? No wonder your notions are so wacky!

No one convinced voters to go along with "getting rid of discrimination against gays in the army" because it "improves the lives of humanity with a new idea, which further creates jobs for those who desire to improve their own."
 
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