which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

TurtleDude said:

when you start paying the same rates I do and when you start coughing up as much money as I do maybe you will have some standing to tell me how LOW rates are.

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Whine, whine, whine about how tough it is on the rich paying historically low tax rates. Your posts sound like a very pitiful broken record that everyone is tired of hearing,

Catawba said:

Whine, whine, whine about how tough it is on the rich paying historically low tax rates. Your posts sound like a very pitiful broken record that everyone is tired of hearing,

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your parasitic rantings are worthless. You constantly howl that people who already juice the public teat you suckle from need to give you more to suck on. its time for you to cast off the scourge of dependency and envy and become a maker rather than a taker

TurtleDude said:

your parasitic rantings are worthless. You constantly howl that people who already juice the public teat you suckle from need to give you more to suck on. its time for you to cast off the scourge of dependency and envy and become a maker rather than a taker

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The trick, turtle, is to not only take other people's stuff, but to try to make them feel guilty about not wanting their stuff taken. For the victim, it's a no win situation. Either you are relieved of your property, or you are labelled a whiny bitch. "Oh, you don't know how good you have it. We're not taking nearly as much as we could."

Don't let the looters get inside your head. Always remember that THEY are the ones attacking, they are the ones acting in an uncivilized manner, they are the ones taking the property of their fellow man.

Catawba said:

Whine, whine, whine about how tough it is on the rich paying historically low tax rates. Your posts sound like a very pitiful broken record that everyone is tired of hearing,

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The government taking money from me, to give to you, is just as much theft as you holding a gun to my head and taking it yourself. Even if the government is taking it for you, the result is the same. The end does not justify the means, no matter how much you rationalize that it's *right*.

TurtleDude said:

maybe a world without those who want to take from others what they are unable to earn on their own

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that would also be good. Perhaps you could purchase your own island nation?

lizzie said:

The government taking money from me, to give to you, is just as much theft as you holding a gun to my head and taking it yourself. Even if the government is taking it for you, the result is the same. The end does not justify the means, no matter how much you rationalize that it's *right*.

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and the real asskicker is that attitude that the takers are better than the makers

haymarket said:

that would also be good. Perhaps you could purchase your own island nation?

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You wouldn't like living on such an island

TurtleDude said:

You wouldn't like living on such an island

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I'm not leaving nor did I express the desire to. You were the one who has whined to high heaven about the vast majority of people here.

lizzie said:

The government taking money from me, to give to you, is just as much theft as you holding a gun to my head and taking it yourself. Even if the government is taking it for you, the result is the same. The end does not justify the means, no matter how much you rationalize that it's *right*.

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Then...fire the assholes who now take your money. But...that's too simple of a solution isn't it? Seeing as how our system of politics and government is pretty much corrupt, the next assholes who take their place still have all the laws in place that allows them to be corrupt.

lizzie said:

The government taking money from me, to give to you, is just as much theft as you holding a gun to my head and taking it yourself. Even if the government is taking it for you, the result is the same. The end does not justify the means, no matter how much you rationalize that it's *right*.

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Just the facts Ma'm:

Lowest Taxes In More Than a Half Century

haymarket said:

that would also be good. Perhaps you could purchase your own island nation?

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They are working on it:

lizzie said:

The government taking money from me, to give to you, is just as much theft as you holding a gun to my head and taking it yourself. Even if the government is taking it for you, the result is the same. The end does not justify the means, no matter how much you rationalize that it's *right*.

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Many people who would never dream of violently robbing someone are more than happy to have other people perform the robbery on their behalf. This does not mean that they are any less guilty, in my opinion. Yet, somehow they have the gall to chide those being looted to pipe down and take it like a man. After all, they've taken much more in the past, so we should all be happy that they are taking a little less now.

Centinel said:

Many people who would never dream of violently robbing someone are more than happy to have other people perform the robbery on their behalf. This does not mean that they are any less guilty, in my opinion. Yet, somehow they have the gall to chide those being looted to pipe down and take it like a man. After all, they've taken much more in the past, so we should all be happy that they are taking a little less now.

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Let me guess: this would be the elected representative government of the citizenry which you are talking about exercising its power of taxation to maintain a civilized society?

Your overuse of the hyperbolic and dramatic grows with every day. Taking a lesson from you, one could post about people in white lab coats cutting the flesh off women and children and shoving sharp projectiles into their bodies causing pain and discomfort, making them swallow dangerous drugs and ordering them how to live.

Otherwise know as doctors and patients.

Centinel said:

Good point. Maybe the federal burden is currently too large to do this. It would seem silly for a state to belong to a union if the cost of membership led to state bankruptcy. I'll have to rethink if my original suggestion is a valid idea, given the crushing federal revenue requirements.

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I'd like to hear your ideas on this. I like the idea of some things going back to the States but everything I've heard so far inevitably leads to problems for many of them. I think part of it is the States have to compete on the world market. If KS wheat farmers have to compete with the Ukraine then, unless the US as a whole is on the same level as the Ukraine, KS gets shafted. It's either that or tariffs to make up the difference, which can be counter-productive for other States. Impasse.

haymarket said:

Let me guess: this would be the elected representative government of the citizenry which you are talking about exercising its power of taxation to maintain a civilized society?

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Precisely. I'm talking about people using the power of government to take from others, all the while believing that they are moral and civilized. There's nothing civilized about using violence to take what isn't yours. If you want to take other's property, at least have the balls to do it yourself.

MoSurveyor said:

I'd like to hear your ideas on this.

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I was agreeing with you that apportioning the federal tax burden across the states might not be as good an idea as I had thought. I did not account for the effect that it might have on poor farming states, which you pointed out.

I like the idea of some things going back to the States but everything I've heard so far inevitably leads to problems for many of them. I think part of it is the States have to compete on the world market. If KS wheat farmers have to compete with the Ukraine then, unless the US as a whole is on the same level as the Ukraine, KS gets shafted. It's either that or tariffs to make up the difference, which can be counter-productive for other States. Impasse.

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "some things going back to the States", so I'm not quite sure how to respond.

Centinel said:

Precisely. I'm talking about people using the power of government to take from others, all the while believing that they are moral and civilized. There's nothing civilized about using violence to take what isn't yours. If you want to take other's property, at least have the balls to do it yourself.

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Nonsense. You simply want to destroy the American government as we know it and believe that to deny the government the power of taxation will do this. The rest is all lipstick on the pig.

haymarket said:

Nonsense.

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Good comeback. Yeah, I see I was totally wrong now. Thanks for clearing that up.

You simply want to destroy the American government as we know it and believe that to deny the government the power of taxation will do this. The rest is all lipstick on the pig.

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Good, build a strawman. That'll help.

TurtleDude said:

wow that post oozes butt hurt loserdom

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It was just for you, TurtleDude, I'm glad you liked it. :kissy:

TurtleDude said:

and I really tire of your posts pretending that your motivations are noble and mine are based on greed. I don't impose costs on other people.

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Cost? What exactly is the cost of an arm or a leg? I believe last time I looked it was about $50k each. One can only sell so many body parts. We're not starfish, they don't grow back.

TurtleDude said:

maybe a world without those who want to take from others what they are unable to earn on their own

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And that would be the Fat Cats who seldom labor more than 20 hours a year while the rest labor 2000 hours a year?

Centinel said:

I was agreeing with you that apportioning the federal tax burden across the states might not be as good an idea as I had thought. I did not account for the effect that it might have on poor farming states, which you pointed out.


I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "some things going back to the States", so I'm not quite sure how to respond.

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Actually, I was using that as an example. With the Farm Bill the farming states I spoke of don't do too bad overall. (Of course, the Farm Bill would be out the window if much of the government went back to the States.) Here's the latest rankings. I couldn't find a government db with percent:

State per capita income (2010) - Buffalo - Business First


I was talking about FedGov functions being turned over to the States. Obviously the military would have to remain Fed and some other stuff, which is always a contention. New ideas are welcome, though.

Centinel said:

Good comeback. Yeah, I see I was totally wrong now. Thanks for clearing that up.


Good, build a strawman. That'll help.

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You can call the TRUTH anything you want to call it but it is still the TRUTH just the same.

Exposing your radical agenda is the greatest threat against it. I can see why you mock the cleansing light of day in shining on it.

Why do you pretend to get all sincere and ask questions only to mock the truthful answers you get in return?

I must admit that I'm more than a little surprised at the results of this poll thus far considering the growing popularity of Progressivism and it's policy of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

It's reassuring to know that most americans still believe that We The People should be the chief executors of our accumulated assets even in death, rather than having government confiscate them for scrupulous politicians to buy votes with or waste on $800 toilet seats.

Half the people in the United States are presently paying all the bills and when this nation reaches the tipping point, those who pay nothing will demand that they pay more and more by means of an unjust democracy at a ballot box they will soon control.

Those who keep the lights turned on, the gears greased and the wheels of industry turning, which creates jobs for the masses, may be forced to relocate off shore to nations where their accomplishments and services are appreciated as has already been happening as of late.

The fact that we presently have an Administration in power that continues to grow the dependent half of the population while demanding ever more from the decreasing half, suggests that this Administration is either ignorant of the obvious or 100% aware of what it is doing.

The United States now rests in the hands of the ever increasing number of non-producers whose survival is dependent upon government entitlements as payment for their votes__Their future generation's disappointment will be legendary when they realize the utopia promised is in reality a totalitarian nightmare.

Empirica said:

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The United States now rests in the hands of the ever increasing number of non-producers whose survival is dependent upon government entitlements as payment for their votes__Their future generation's disappointment will be legendary when they realize the utopia promised is in reality a totalitarian nightmare.

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How are you defining this category of people you call "non producers"?

haymarket said:

Any transfer of money should simply be considered as income and taxed at the appropriate rate. On millions of dollars that would be 35%.

Nothing could be fairer.

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Really? So if I transfer money from my savings to my checking I should pay a tax on that? How about if my brother gives me 100 bucks?

**** you, what utter tripe. Par for the course for this looter.

haymarket said:

You can call the TRUTH anything you want to call it but it is still the TRUTH just the same.

Exposing your radical agenda is the greatest threat against it. I can see why you mock the cleansing light of day in shining on it.

Why do you pretend to get all sincere and ask questions only to mock the truthful answers you get in return?

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I understand why you wish to block my agenda. My agenda is to stop people like you who wish to use the power of the state to redistribute the property of others. Your agenda it to propagate a system in which you use the state to take what belongs to Peter in order to give it to Paul. Some might consider yours and not mine to be the extreme agenda.

My goal is to wrest the government from people like you who wish to use it as your own personal goon squad. The proper role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. You wish to destroy the proper government and convert it into a thugocracy that preys upon the liberty and property of others to slake your thirst for power over your fellow man.