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LOL. To haymarket, less truly is more.
Its turbo-Orwellian
LOL. To haymarket, less truly is more.
I understand both, I also know when one is engaging in class envy which I do not agree with. I also know that to justify an income tax that preferentially treats mid and low income earners while penalizing the "wealthy" heavily is an impossible goal without great mental gymnastics. I also understand that there are people who don't respect the accumulation of wealth based on merit and want to bleed every dollar they can from people based on weak premises such as "they can afford it" or "because society has needs" or "how much does one need". Last time I checked this is the U.S. a country based upon maximizing liberty, to TAKE ones property without due cause is a statist concept that goes back to despotism and the monarchy and always follows the premise that "we all own a piece". So don't confuse calling bull**** with "not understanding".
Do you not even realize by penalizing earners for making more you are engaging in preferential treatment? You are giving 47% of Americans a total tax break, and another 50% nearly no taxing while punishing incentive under the statist plan. Guess that kind of shoots down your theory.
Well, well if i go according to this poll's stats, there must be quite a few people here just waiting for someone to drop dead and leave them a bucket of dough.
More accurately there are some people here who will live in an average existence just so they can pretend that somehow someway someday they will all be rich and famous and then be able to wallow in wealth like the one they pretend to ape. You know what they say: there are only two kinds of conservatives - millionaires and suckers.
I haven't played any cards, it came right out of your ****ing words. Do you not understand what "playing a card" means?Oh! And you came so close.
In one short post you played the ENVY CARD and the EMPTY LIBERTY CARD :roll: . Both hallmarks of extreme right wing 'thinking' (for lack of a better term). Now if you had just included the VAGUE BUT MEANINGLESS FREEDOM CARD :lol: and the FOUNDING FATHERS CARD :doh, you would have hit a grand slam home run.
Better luck next time.
The point of a will is to make it so that people won't fight over everything :shrug:[/Q
You'd be surprised what isn't in a will and what people will fight over. I hope you never have to learn it the hard way.
You are right, there is a definite overarching American identity that seems to be stronger than, say, European identity (my impression, at least.) And yes, there is a fine line between too loose and too tight.Yep. As well the reason we work better than the EU or smaller countries is because we as a nation do have a sense of identity, we disagree on the details as a people but at the end of the day there is a singular goal(for the most part) preserving our country to the best of our ability. This keeps us usually at an advantage economically and politically whereas many less tight-knit nations have had to abandon their politics or folded. Our binding is our federation, unfortunately it's at a point where the binding has gotten a little too tight.
Its turbo-Orwellian
I haven't played any cards, it came right out of your ****ing words. Do you not understand what "playing a card" means?
that is more like your party since those who aspire to be millionaires or at least successful on their own merit tend to vote our way
You come here looking down on people who disagree with you, get proven wrong, and then accuse people of tricks. I don't think you even realize how WRONG you are in every aspect of this thread. Stillballin' is a liberal and he schooled you on the definition of income, I guess he played a card too huh.One cannot miss it when right wingers cannot argue why a wage earner should pay 60% more tax than somebody who gets the same money from Capital Gains so they do just like you did in that post.
YOU PLAYED THE ENVY CARD.
And you cannot miss it when you cannot argue against taxation in a civilized society so you respond with playing THE EMPTY LIBERTY CARD.
Yup - they stand out like sore thumbs.
Ah yes - the great Machiavellian right wing trick - fooling the average person into believing that if he just goes against his own self interests and roots and cheers for the rich guys ivy league team that he too someday will be able to eat the caviar, sip the chilled Dom and have his way with the upstairs French maid.
Best trick since they sliced the lady in half and put her back together again...... all right before your eyes no less!!!!! :shock:
You come here looking down on people who disagree with you, get proven wrong, and then accuse people of tricks. I don't think you even realize how WRONG you are in every aspect of this thread. Stillballin' is a liberal and he schooled you on the definition of income, I guess he played a card too huh.
Face it, you are so far back in this debate(not a surprise) that there is no coming back. Not that you are going to stop being nasty but whatev......
The "get proven wrong" part seems to be the bump in the road where your wheels come off, the car veers off the road, and you plunges 1,200 feet to the bottom of the debate mountain.
People can give any definition they want. Their opinion is their opinion is their opinion. YOU should learn that lesson.
And I am still waiting patiently for you to point out one thing I have said that is factually wrong that you can prove it with verifiable evidence - and that would include INCOME. But you have not and you will not and you cannot.
So how about it --- got any real evidence to disprove me?
From Dictionary.com:The "get proven wrong" part seems to be the bump in the road where your wheels come off, the car veers off the road, and you plunges 1,200 feet to the bottom of the debate mountain.
People can give any definition they want. Their opinion is their opinion is their opinion. YOU should learn that lesson.
Hmmm. Don't seem to see anything about OPINION in there. Could it be you are going to the weak counter of "everyone has an opinion" because you are running out of ammo?def·i·ni·tion
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the act of defining or making definite, distinct, or clear.
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the formal statement of the meaning or significance of a word, phrase, idiom, etc., as found in dictionaries. An online dictionary resource, such as Dictionary.com, can give users direct, immediate access to the definitions of a term, allowing them to compare definitions from various dictionaries and stay up to date with an ever-expanding vocabulary.
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Don't have to, it's been done throughout. Did you happen to miss it?And I am still waiting patiently for you to point out one thing I have said that is factually wrong that you can prove it with verifiable evidence - and that would include INCOME. But you have not and you will not and you cannot.
It's all over the thread, guess you did miss it. Shucks.So how about it --- got any real evidence to disprove me?
How unfair of you to bring facts TD.easy, the moneys people get from gifts or inheritance have never been taxed as INCOME federally
How unfair of you to bring facts TD.
easy, the moneys people get from gifts or inheritance have never been taxed as INCOME federally
Its amazing Turtle. In the past week you have turned into quite the statist. A legal definition of income - as you well know - is something written by legislators and can be changed or altered as seen fit.
So your point is irrelevant in a discussion of the need for a rational public taxation policy.
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Hmmm. Don't seem to see anything about OPINION in there. Could it be you are going to the weak counter of "everyone has an opinion" because you are running out of ammo?
Don't have to, it's been done throughout. Did you happen to miss it?
It's all over the thread, guess you did miss it. Shucks.
the only consistency in your posts is a desire for the rich to be taxed more-a lot more.
a rational tax policy would prevent politicians from using the tax code to pander to voters or to punish those who vote against them
You miss the truth Turtle in your fervor to attack me
1- I want ALL Americans who earn as much as one dollar to be taxed more
2- what constitutes a rational policy is indeed a matter of national discussion between the people and their elected representatives.... something you think is an unholy act.
I note you want the government to have much more money
you want those who live on dividends to pay perhaps almost THREE TIMES MORE TAXES