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which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    Votes: 64 50.8%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    Votes: 20 15.9%

  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 10 7.9%

  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    Votes: 18 14.3%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    Votes: 7 5.6%

  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Total voters
    126
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haymarket said:
We have been through this and I have told you that is not my view about a parent and a child and his oatmeal. Why do you dishonestly keep beating that same phony drum?
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when you get done chiding Centinel about phony drums perhaps you could do the same those who claim average working people are paying higher federal income tax rates than Romney's effective rate of about 15%

or chide them for the blatant dishonesty of including into those working class tax rates all sorts of non-progressive taxes

thanks. there are lots of wannabee keith moons on your side of the class warfare divide
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me where something the founders wrote that actually impacts on the law has such sentiments in it
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I and others already did.

You were given an extensive article.

And here are some quotes from it on the founders. These are some of the people you frequently you invoke when they agree with you.... or at least you think they do.

Some founders wanted to eliminate inheritance entirely. In a letter to James Madison, Thomas Jefferson suggested that all property be redistributed every fifty years, because"the earth belongs in usufruct to the living." Madison gently pointed out the plan's impracticality. Benjamin Franklin unsuccessfully pushed for the first Pennsylvania constitution to declare concentrated wealth"a danger to the happiness of mankind."
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TurtleDude said:
when you get done chiding Centinel about phony drums perhaps you could do the same those who claim average working people are paying higher federal income tax rates than Romney's effective rate of about 15%

or chide them for the blatant dishonesty of including into those working class tax rates all sorts of non-progressive taxes

thanks. there are lots of wannabee keith moons on your side of the class warfare divide
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You do make this up as you go along.
 
TurtleDude said:
If we had things our way there would be no death tax and you and I would be paying the same rate or same amount of taxes or I would have more votes than you since I pay more taxes

and your RICH liberal masters in the dem party want more taxes-its how they get power from the votes of people who feel like you
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If you say that a thousand times it does not make it correct or right. You are still confusing apples and cinderblocks and chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling.

Your elitist view of voting rights is anathema to the USA, its people and its Constitution. Thank heaven that you are a very tiny minority with such dangerous anti-American beliefs and ideas. People like you with those anti-citizen ideas would destroy this nation.
 
haymarket said:
I and others already did.

You were given an extensive article.

And here are some quotes from it on the founders. These are some of the people you frequently you invoke when they agree with you.... or at least you think they do.
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in the law that wouldn't even be classified as dicta.

I guess the other founders rejected his sentiments. Jefferson also died with a debt higher than the government's. Didn't they call him the First Democrat?
 
haymarket said:
You do make this up as you go along.
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feel free to pretend I was dishonest in my comment. you know damn well that other tax hikers claim that working class people are paying higher federal tax rates than Romney which is based on a dishonest comparison
 
TurtleDude said:
in the law that wouldn't even be classified as dicta.

I guess the other founders rejected his sentiments. Jefferson also died with a debt higher than the government's. Didn't they call him the First Democrat?
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So what? A founder is a founder is a founder. Deal with it. Or don't. It matters not.
 
TurtleDude said:
feel free to pretend I was dishonest in my comment. you know damn well that other tax hikers claim that working class people are paying higher federal tax rates than Romney which is based on a dishonest comparison
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sorry Turtle, but I know no such thing.

If you want me to know it, please provide the verifiable data to convince me. Your word simply does not suffice.
 
haymarket said:
So what? A founder is a founder is a founder. Deal with it. Or don't. It matters not.
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apparently most of the founders rejected Franklin's desires
 
haymarket said:
sorry Turtle, but I know no such thing.

If you want me to know it, please provide the verifiable data to convince me. Your word simply does not suffice.
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well here is some edification for you

BooRadley said:
The capital class paying half the tax rate that the labour class pays, and then telling the labour class that they're "unpatriotic" if they want to change that is practically the definition of class warfare.
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TurtleDude said:
apparently most of the founders rejected Franklin's desires
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So what? It matters not. The fact is that the material was introduced to counter your Halloween fantasy that they were all untied in your value system and beliefs. The quotes prove this is a 225 year old debate that goes back to the start of the nation.

This was not your Halloween boogey man invented by FDR of Democrats running for office.
 
TurtleDude said:
well here is some edification for you
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Did i miss the part where you actually provide verifiable data to show us that your boasts are just not your own musings?

Of course not. You never do.
 
haymarket said:
So what? It matters not. The fact is that the material was introduced to counter your Halloween fantasy that they were all untied in your value system and beliefs. The quotes prove this is a 225 year old debate that goes back to the start of the nation.

This was not your Halloween boogey man invented by FDR of Democrats running for office.
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so if one justice dissents you would claim that the court's opinion supported your interpretation which is in concert with the dissent?

the fact is no document that has any binding authority created by the founders supported a desire to loot private wealth as you seem to desire
 
haymarket said:
Did i miss the part where you actually provide verifiable data to show us that your boasts are just not your own musings?

Of course not. You never do.
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I was stating what other lefties are arguing and you apparently pretend you are unaware of their statements
 
TurtleDude said:
so if one justice dissents you would claim that the court's opinion supported your interpretation which is in concert with the dissent?

the fact is no document that has any binding authority created by the founders supported a desire to loot private wealth as you seem to desire
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Where do you get this stuff from? Show me in the Constitution where it forbids an estate tax. If you cannot do that you cannot keep invoking the founders on your side.
 
TurtleDude said:
so if one justice dissents you would claim that the court's opinion supported your interpretation which is in concert with the dissent?

the fact is no document that has any binding authority created by the founders supported a desire to loot private wealth as you seem to desire
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Nor would any of their binding legal documents. People tend to forget that the beginnings of the American Revolution started over a tax on tea, on ****ing tea. And these same tax everything advocates want to lay claim on monies even King George III didn't have the nerve to touch.
 
TurtleDude said:
I was stating what other lefties are arguing and you apparently pretend you are unaware of their statements
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I don't give a leaky bag of manure what anybody says about it. That is their right and you should learn to tell the difference between posters here.
 
haymarket said:
Where do you get this stuff from? Show me in the Constitution where it forbids an estate tax. If you cannot do that you cannot keep invoking the founders on your side.
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You sure you want to ask for that?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Nor would any of their binding legal documents. People tend to forget that the beginnings of the American Revolution started over a tax on tea, on ****ing tea. And these same tax everything advocates want to lay claim on monies even King George III didn't have the nerve to touch.
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I suspect some of these tax hikers are mad that they weren't able to help string up Nathan Hale!
 
haymarket said:
I don't give a leaky bag of manure what anybody says about it. That is their right and you should learn to tell the difference between posters here.
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but let me help you --you claimed that I was wrong for saying that lefties were making these claims
 
TurtleDude said:
but let me help you --you claimed that I was wrong for saying that lefties were making these claims
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I was telling you that I know no such thing about the facts you claimed about Romney and other tax payers.


from your 231

you know damn well that other tax hikers claim that working class people are paying higher federal tax rates than Romney which is based on a dishonest comparison
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The fact is that you use yourself constantly here as a model and castigate others who you feel do not measure up when you are totally and completely in the dark about the personal finances of others here that you pretend to speak about as if you are their person CPA. Its dishonest in the extreme.
 
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haymarket said:
I was telling you that I know no such thing about the facts you claimed about Romney and other tax payers. The fact is that you use yourself constantly here as a model and castigate others who you feel do not measure up when you are totally and completely in the dark about the personal finances of others here that you pretend to speak about as if you are their person CPA. Its dishonest in the extreme.
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that is silly Haymarket

what we have here are

1) those of us who are targeted for tax hikes and tired of being told by others we don't pay enough

2) those who pay less than we do who say we ought to pay more

you want to take more of my property from me for political reasons while I already pay my fair share and you get upset when I say I am tired of being told I need to pay more
 
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that is silly Haymarket
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Your own words and my response to them in the previous post show that it is 100% accurate and not silly at all.

what we have here are

1) those of us who are targeted for tax hikes and tired of being told by others we don't pay enough
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Tough. Get used to it or emigrate elsewhere where you don't have to suffer through the indignity of other citizens exercising their rights as Americans.


you want to take more of my property from me for political reasons while I already pay my fair share and you get upset when I say I am tired of being told I need to pay more
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Until you pay what others pay on the same amount from wages or salary, you have not begun to pay anything approaching a FAIR SHARE.
 
randel said:
it is income being recieved, and should be taxed as such, it should be treated the same as the paycheck i bring home every week....what i'm in favor of is fairness...why should money that someone 'inherited' be treated different than ordinary earned income?
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ah. "fairness". so, for example, do you think it is "fair" for all of my uncles' employees to lose their jobs?
 
haymarket said:
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Your own words and my response to them in the previous post show that it is 100% accurate and not silly at all.



Tough. Get used to it or emigrate elsewhere where you don't have to suffer through the indignity of other citizens exercising their rights as Americans.




Until you pay what others pay on the same amount from wages or salary, you have not begun to pay anything approaching a FAIR SHARE.
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more moronic from each according to their ability nonsense--that is the only way you can claim someone paying several hundred thousand in federal taxes and close to a hundred thousand in state income taxes and sales taxes isn't paying a "fair share"

I pay 35% on wages THE HIGHEST rate
I pay 15% on investment income-the HIGHEST RATE
I pay the highest rate on Ohio State income taxes

but thanks for clarifying your position. its the total rate of taxes that makes fair share not actual dollars
 
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