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Shoot Your President? Shooter Your Child?

Save your loved one? Save your president?

  • President/Leader

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Loved One

    Votes: 34 91.9%
  • Total voters
    37
danarhea said:
Since children do not destroy nations, while spinning it that they are helping nations, I would say that children are more valuable than presidents. Save the children, and give a big middle finger to the presidents. :mrgreen:
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Could never have explained it as well. Thanks.
 
The procession of importance naturally goes from self outward. Family and friends first, followed by community, state, country. If this isn't the natural order of importance in an individual's life, then I would find myself questioning either his sanity, or his ability to have normal emotional relationships.
 
Family obviously.
 
Love conquers all...
Family/loved ones above else.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Well, if they didn't have the scientists there with their magnifying glasses to help them out then I doubt they got your point.
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They would have a hard time missing my fat white ass lol.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Same concept? They are directly contradictory. Learn to design polls properly.
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Explain to me how they contradict? In either question the life of your loved one vs the life of your the leader is in YOUR hands.
 
I love my family a great deal and can't see myself pushing patriotism to the extent I would actively put the life of my chief executive over theirs.

Still, the issue may be situational and can't be treated casually, since it cuts into the issue of whether it is possible to have any trust or society at all. If the life of a specific president was critical to everything my family believed and sacrificed for, for example, I might owe it to them to save that president ahead them. I probably wouldn't have the resolve to do it, but it would be a morally valid way to fulfill my duty to my family as well as my country.

Under America's current political situation, however, I find that extremely unlikely; the different parts in the Washington machine seem pretty interchangeable to me. I wouldn't mind saving Washington politicians as people (if not as leaders), but in those terms my family comes first.
 
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stonewall50 said:
Explain to me how they contradict? In either question the life of your loved one vs the life of your the leader is in YOUR hands.
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The thread title asks whether to shoot the President or shoot your child. The poll title asks whether to save the President or save your child. The poll answers don't specify.
 
stonewall50 said:
This is an age old question, perhaps brought about by Plato's Republic. The all important question of family before country or country before family? Plato saw it as the family cannot be had by the rulers because the rulers could not make a decision based upon protecting their family first. He understood that the dynamic would be protect the family first. My question is...do you choose the life of a loved one? Or the life of the President of whatever nation you belong?
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IMO your question is correctly answered by Plato.

"Plato saw it as the family cannot be had by the rulers because the rulers could not make a decision based upon protecting their family first. He understood that the dynamic would be protect the family first."

If Plato suggests that leaders would not protect the populace before their own families, I wonder why even speculate as to whether individuals would choose to save a leader before their own families. I don't think Plato was suggesting that leaders have any more desire to protect family than individuals do.

One would guess that the size of the populace and severity of protection required would have to be weighed before answering Plato's question.

I think we could assume if the OP's question was posed to a Secret Service agent or equivalent that the answer might be they would protect their leader at all cost.
 
stonewall50 said:
This is an age old question, perhaps brought about by Plato's Republic. The all important question of family before country or country before family? Plato saw it as the family cannot be had by the rulers because the rulers could not make a decision based upon protecting their family first. He understood that the dynamic would be protect the family first. My question is...do you choose the life of a loved one? Or the life of the President of whatever nation you belong?
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My answer could get me court martialed.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
The thread title asks whether to shoot the President or shoot your child. The poll title asks whether to save the President or save your child. The poll answers don't specify.
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You are the only one who doesn't understand it then bud. Because the concept of save loved one or save president, the ultimate question is who comes first family or president? If you would like me to phrase it special for you:

If you were forced to shoot either the president or your family member (your decisions saves one of them), who are you going to pick?
 
mattillac said:
IMO your question is correctly answered by Plato.

"Plato saw it as the family cannot be had by the rulers because the rulers could not make a decision based upon protecting their family first. He understood that the dynamic would be protect the family first."

If Plato suggests that leaders would not protect the populace before their own families, I wonder why even speculate as to whether individuals would choose to save a leader before their own families. I don't think Plato was suggesting that leaders have any more desire to protect family than individuals do.

One would guess that the size of the populace and severity of protection required would have to be weighed before answering Plato's question.

I think we could assume if the OP's question was posed to a Secret Service agent or equivalent that the answer might be they would protect their leader at all cost.
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Interesting. I doubt a Secret service agent would surrender his family though.

While Plato's discussion was of course about rulers, he touched upon the fact that society was more important than the family. At least in a proper world the rulers would feel that duty.
 
no and I dont think the president would expect you to
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
I understand what you are trying to ask perfectly, but you are asking it incompetently.
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Apperently not considering that a total of 28 people have understood well enough to answer the question. Forgive me for not putting time and effort into explaining things so perfectly so as to be bullet proof from dense anal trolls who wish to derail discussion topics be being ___holes. ;)
 
stonewall50 said:
Forgive me for not putting time and effort into explaining things so perfectly so as to be bullet proof from dense anal trolls who wish to derail discussion topics be being ___holes. ;)
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It doesn't take any extra effort to get it right in the first place. None of the poll answers mean anything because you don't know how to construct a poll properly and you're too arrogant to admit that you made a mistake and correct it. If you took half the effort you expended stroking your ego and spent it on proofreading instead, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself.
 
My loyalty is to my family first. :shrug:


Any Prez or leader or whatever would have to be some more kinda miraculous dream-come-true before I'd even consider thinking otherwise... and I kinda doubt that's gonna happen.
 
stonewall50 said:
Apperently not considering that a total of 28 people have understood well enough to answer the question. Forgive me for not putting time and effort into explaining things so perfectly so as to be bullet proof from dense anal trolls who wish to derail discussion topics be being ___holes. ;)
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Moderator's Warning:
Perhaps you noticed the DP motto.... "Political bias optional, civility a must!" This post was over the line. I advise a measure of restraint.
 
Sorry Obama, but my ties are to my family first and foremost, friends second, community third and country last. What is important to me is that which is closest to me and has the greatest impact on my life. Should the president get shot, it would be a sad day and it may have an impact on our country's stability, but worst comes to worst, I can find a new country to call home. I can't replace family. (as you can probably guess, I'd be a horrible secret service agent and I don't serve in the military - though I respect those that do.)
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
It doesn't take any extra effort to get it right in the first place. None of the poll answers mean anything because you don't know how to construct a poll properly and you're too arrogant to admit that you made a mistake and correct it. If you took half the effort you expended stroking your ego and spent it on proofreading instead, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself.
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They mean nothing? Really? Clearly they do mean something if people can answer the question ;) Again you are the only person wrestling with this problem.
 
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