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Do you support the Space Program?

I think the space program is one of the things that made this country great. I think we way overspend on the military and way underspend on NASA. The benefits of our technological advancement thanks to the space program have been manifold. I don't want to bring the shuttle program back, but I would like to see a new rocket program. I would like to see research on defense against asteroids. It was a huge asteroid that hit the earth and made the dinosaurs go extinct. I would like to see us develop the technology to destroy such an asteroid. The dinosaurs didn't have the intellect or tool making ability necessary to protect themselves from asteroids, but we do.

I would also like to see us advance android and artificial intelligence technology. It would be extremely difficult to send a human being on far away space missions, but an intelligent android could much more easily make such missions. I would like humans to achieve the ability to upload a human mind into an android brain. Our first contact with intelligent extraterrestrial might be done by a mechanical human (an android).
 
Like the New World in the 1600's, Space is the new frontier. Those nations that explore it, exploit its resources and (eventually) establish colonies there will flourish and prosper.... those who ignore it will wither and fall into the dustbin of history, like the nations that failed to expand into what came to be called The Americas.


I support NASA, though I think it needs to be drastically de-bureaucratized.
 
Goshin said:
Like the New World in the 1600's, Space is the new frontier. Those nations that explore it, exploit its resources and (eventually) establish colonies there will flourish and prosper.... those who ignore it will wither and fall into the dustbin of history, like the nations that failed to expand into what came to be called The Americas.


I support NASA, though I think it needs to be drastically de-bureaucratized.
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I agree, especially with the bolded part. I think that it should have a consolidated structure lending more to it's Airforce origins, the engineers should have as much say as possible since they are the ones responsible for the safety of our brave astronauts, and the leaner the better when it comes down to anything but especially large government programs.
 
WI Crippler said:
Those Europeans sure did wait for everything to be perfect back home before they set forth to explore across the oceans.

There is always going to be problems "down here". Might as well spread the calamity of human existence as far and as wide as we can.
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expanding into lands on our own planet is a lot different to opening a BK on the moon or whatever the absurd idea they have right now!
 
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Goshin said:
Like the New World in the 1600's, Space is the new frontier. Those nations that explore it, exploit its resources and (eventually) establish colonies there will flourish and prosper.... those who ignore it will wither and fall into the dustbin of history, like the nations that failed to expand into what came to be called The Americas.


I support NASA, though I think it needs to be drastically de-bureaucratized.
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ah yes the "New world" where there is no food, water or breathable air! You would be a fool not to go...
 
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Higgins86 said:
expanding into lands on our own planet is a lot different to opening a BK on the moon or whatever the absurd idea they have right now!
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It seems that way to us, because of the ease with which we can explore our planet. The challenges of sailing away into the unknown share many similarities and will require similar leaps of ingenuity that can only be explored when we challenge ourselves to brave the unknown, experience it, and learn from it.
 
WI Crippler said:
It seems that way to us, because of the ease with which we can explore our planet. The challenges of sailing away into the unknown share many similarities and will require similar leaps of ingenuity that can only be explored when we challenge ourselves to brave the unknown, experience it, and learn from it.
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There were clear advantages and reasons for moving to the new world and im yet to hear a similar argument for space, they had a clear goal when they set out for the new world but we do not. Yeh we can put a base on the moon and maybe visit Mars but then what?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I know, let's go find some new planet to fook up. I vote we stay here and treat this one right, until then we have no business on any other planet.
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Planets are a finite resource. Eventually they will be destroyed with or without us. May as well use our only advantage as a species and exploit the resources present for our own gain. It's how we got to where we are, posting on internet message boards.
 
Aside from finding natural resources, physical exploration of space is a waste of time. Space is not the final frontier, human consciousness is. Once consciousness has opened to a certain level, we and our technology will be much better, and we will be able to do anything. Until then, we are just wasting huge numbers of fossil fuels to explore a vacuum at a snail's pace.

I would much rather see humans use their genius and limited resource to solve the crises that face the current and upcoming generations. When humanity is uplifted, we will see space in a whole different way.
 
Temporal said:
Aside from finding natural resources, physical exploration of space is a waste of time. Space is not the final frontier, human consciousness is. Once consciousness has opened to a certain level, we and our technology will be much better, and we will be able to do anything. Until then, we are just wasting huge numbers of fossil fuels to explore a vacuum at a snail's pace.

I would much rather see humans use their genius and limited resource to solve the crises that face the current and upcoming generations. When humanity is uplifted, we will see space in a whole different way.
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Yeah, when the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, and the Age of Aquarius and all that kum-bah-ya stuff.

Uh, not. :roll:
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, when the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, and the Age of Aquarius and all that kum-bah-ya stuff.
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At least this does make for a really great song...
 
Higgins86 said:
There were clear advantages and reasons for moving to the new world and im yet to hear a similar argument for space, they had a clear goal when they set out for the new world but we do not. Yeh we can put a base on the moon and maybe visit Mars but then what?
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If we had a base on the moon where people could stay for extended periods, we would be able to do a lot of scientific research that could not be done with the short missions we did there. We could learn the effect on the human body of extended living in 1/6th gravity. We could mine the moon's surface and learn more about its composition. We would find out things about the moon's formation that we don't know now. Really what it offers us is just more knowledge. It's not a practical place for large numbers of human settlers, at least it isn't at this point in time. Same thing with Mars. However, Mars is much, much tougher to get a human to. There's a strong argument for only sending probes to Mars because we can learn so much from them without the need to support human life on the long trip there and back.
 
Its weird when people talk about NASA as if its dead or on the back burner just because we retired the shuttles. Meanwhile NASA has many major missions going as we speak.

One thing that a lot of people do not seem to understand is the the space shuttle was only designed as an low Earth orbiter. Yes it got (hopefully safely) humans into orbit but thats all it could do.
Everytime the shuttle took off pieces of insulation broke off. Just by sheer luck we didnt loose more shuttles than we did. There are definitely better ways of getting into orbit.

But NASA is farming out the mundane job of orbiting to private sources to make way for something better. Deep space is much more exciting and challenging than just circling the planet in sort of space. The Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle (MPCV) or as its called Orion spaceship is already being built. The space program is far from dead or stagnant.

Go check it out
NASA - Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle


[video] the Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle (MPCV) video [/video]
 
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, when the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, and the Age of Aquarius and all that kum-bah-ya stuff.

Uh, not. :roll:
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I don't believe in the Age of Aquarius so strictly. The zodiac ages are just ways to describe epochs of humanity. The moon in the 7th house would be favorable for deeply emotional partnerships, especially romantic ones. A Jupiter-Mars conjunct would mean fortuitous action, so yes... if Jupiter were conjunct Mars it could mean that our exploration of space would have a lot of support. You should really consider studying astrology, you obviously have a knack for it. :mrgreen:

Seriously though... what modern people call astral travel is real and there is a scientific basis for it in quantum entanglement. All of the studies into near death experiences illustrate that consciousness exists separately from the body, but within it. The two are mutually exclusive. It's much more cost effective to travel out of body than using all of our planet's resources to leap over to the next planet, when you can really use your consciousness to go anywhere you please. Consciousness moves faster than the speed of light, as long as you have the intention to know where you're going.

Also, science still applies to a state of raised consciousness, it just becomes applicable in new ways never before imagined. For instance, there are things you can and cannot do while in astral form, different laws to observe, and these commonalities have been recorded throughout the ages. The Vedic texts are one such example.

If you could travel back in time 200 years to tell the scientists of that day about quantum mechanics, they would think you were some kind of charlatan. Today it's a reality.

But... explaining this to someone who isn't there, in this medium, is difficult. It's even more difficult in America, where the scientific establishment has formed taboos based on early Christian America. The Russians do far more research into this stuff because funding is not biased. I don't expect you to care or believe me though.
 
Temporal said:
Aside from finding natural resources, physical exploration of space is a waste of time. Space is not the final frontier, human consciousness is. Once consciousness has opened to a certain level, we and our technology will be much better, and we will be able to do anything. Until then, we are just wasting huge numbers of fossil fuels to explore a vacuum at a snail's pace.

I would much rather see humans use their genius and limited resource to solve the crises that face the current and upcoming generations. When humanity is uplifted, we will see space in a whole different way.
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Alright John Denver. I prefer my space station, thank you very much.
 
I know, I support the space program. Totally unproductive. I need to get in touch with my self-conscious in order to be better than those poor bastards that died in pursuit of science.
 
Fiddytree said:
I know, I support the space program. Totally unproductive. I need to get in touch with my self-conscious in order to be better than those poor bastards that died in pursuit of science.
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Who's talking about being better? I support scientific research.

I'm saying there are better ways to travel space that don't involve consuming the planet's resources, and traveling at a snail's pace.

Can you stop trolling this thread now please?
 
If people want to think of what ifs they can do in their own lives with their own money.


Saying that, I personally do not see much potential in space travel unless the laws of physics are wrong.
 
I very much support the space program. I think we as a species - not just a couple countries - should think a lot more seriously about increasing our presence in space.

As it stands now we've got all our eggs in one basket. A lot of things can happen to the Earth that we positively cannot control. An asteroid (an extinction level event) could hit us at any time. The magnetic poles could shift. When that happens it weakens and fades first before realigning, meanwhile permitting the whole planet to be irradiated. The super-volcano in Yellowstone (or other locations) could go off. If one erupts, it would be bad enough for all humanity. Two or more and we've got major problems.

I'm not saying any of these things will happen, only that they could, so we would be wise to ensure the continuation of our species. I think a moonbase is a great start. From there, find water on the moon and extract it to fuel spacecraft. Other materials could be mined on the moon and sent to orbital manufacturing facilities via mass drivers from the moonbase. From there, we can seriously consider a colony on Mars. It will all take a lot of time, so we'd best be about it.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes I do. I consider it much like the exploration of our oceans; one of man kinds greatest endeavors.

Of course I grew up watching the first human walk on the moon.

Space truly is the final frontier, and we need to get out there.

It truly amazes me the lack of vision around here, lol.
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Explore the oceans ?
A resounding YES!
I also believe that we should learn about and discover ourselves.
We have humanity itself to work on.
Outer space can wait.
 
earthworm said:
Explore the oceans ?
A resounding YES!
I also believe that we should learn about and discover ourselves.
We have humanity itself to work on.
Outer space can wait.
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We already know that we are humans WTH else is there to wait for? And what are you expecting to learn from the oceans?
 
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