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Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal

Same-Sex Marriage, How long till it's legal


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This isnt about whether you support it or are for same sex marriage or think its ok. What I am asking is how long do you think it will be until american politics makes it legal.

A while ago I thought I wouldn't see it in my life time but my daughter would. But now with some bigotry dying every day and people fighting for equal rights for all americans and america always slowing righting its wrongs, ridding itself of discrimination my pick is 10 years max.

The support for equal gay rights has been growing strong as of late and there are even plenty of those that don't agree with it that support equality and don't want to discriminate.

Also looking at a similar issue support for same sex marriage has is dramatically passed what the support for interracial marriage was. Currently its around 50+%, sadly interracial marriage didn't have a majority approval until around 1997 (30 years after it was made legal, pathetic)

What do you think.

0-5 years
5-10 years
10-15 years
15-20 years
20-25 years
25+ years
Never
 
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Too long. It should be legal NOW.
 
Too long. It should be legal NOW.

LOL well I agree and it will be sooner or later. Im with you, it should be sooner.
 
I'm thinking 0-5 years. At least I hope. It's pathetic that two people that love each other can't marry.
 
Hopefully..... NEVER.
 
I want it to be legalized, but I doubt it will ever be legalized in all states. Marriage is not a Federal issue, it would be up to all the states to legalize issuing a marriage license to homosexual couples. There are several states that would need to amend their state constitutions to do this.
 
I want it to be legalized, but I doubt it will ever be legalized in all states. Marriage is not a Federal issue, it would be up to all the states to legalize issuing a marriage license to homosexual couples. There are several states that would need to amend their state constitutions to do this.

It could easily be made legal in all states if the supreme court declares it unconstitutional to deny them just like Loving V. Virgina.
 
It could easily be made legal in all states if the supreme court declares it unconstitutional to deny them just like Loving V. Virgina.

The thing is though, is that it's a state's rights issue. Marriage isn't mentioned in the constitution nor is sexuality mentioned. there is the equal protection clause, but that doesn't prevent states from legally defining marriage between a male husband and female wife. I highly doubt that all the states will legalize gay marriage. At best the Supreme Court could force states to legally recognize gay marriages performed in states where it is legal.
 
I respect your point of view, but I will never understand this.

Some of us believe more in our Morals, Values, and Principles than we do in the ideas of Freedom or Liberty. I understand that's not a very popular concept in this country anymore, but there are still some of us who see the world that way.
 
The thing is though, is that it's a state's rights issue. Marriage isn't mentioned in the constitution nor is sexuality mentioned. there is the equal protection clause, but that doesn't prevent states from legally defining marriage between a male husband and female wife. I highly doubt that all the states will legalize gay marriage. At best the Supreme Court could force states to legally recognize gay marriages performed in states where it is legal.

But the point is that can change by the supreme court if its ruled unconstitutional by referring to discrimination and equal rights just like interracial marriage.

And even if it did happen your way and all states had to recognize the marriages but didnt have to perform them, that would be pointless IMO. Just go across the border, get married then come back and you still get equal rights :shrug:
 
Some of us believe more in our Morals, Values, and Principles than we do in the ideas of Freedom or Liberty. I understand that's not a very popular concept in this country anymore, but there are still some of us who see the world that way.

it never was, thats not america
 
it never was, thats not america

I disagree, substantially. Then again my relatives were involved in LYNCHING a Tory in Essex, CT after the American Revolution because he refused to either swear allegiance to the US Government or to leave the country. This nation was founded on the concept of morals, values, and principles. We've now let those things wane and we're worse off for it.
 
But the point is that can change by the supreme court if its ruled unconstitutional by referring to discrimination and equal rights just like interracial marriage.

And even if it did happen your way and all states had to recognize the marriages but didnt have to perform them, that would be pointless IMO. Just go across the border, get married then come back and you still get equal rights :shrug:

I don't think the federal government should force states to go against their constitutions and votes. I also don't think it would be right to wait until the Supreme Court is stacked with liberal judges who will warp the Constitution. If the states decided to Amend the Constitution and make sexuality a protected entity under the equal protection clause then that would force the states to allow homosexual marriages. I think that would happen sooner than all states changing their view.

I disagree, substantially. Then again my relatives were involved in LYNCHING a Tory in Essex, CT after the American Revolution because he refused to either swear allegiance to the US Government or to leave the country. This nation was founded on the concept of morals, values, and principles. We've now let those things wane and we're worse off for it.

As long as we are a democracy morals, values, and principals will run things. However, these things can change over time. The principal that the government should not bar two homosexuals who love each other from marrying and recognizing that they are committed to the same marital values that heterosexual couples have is what many (including myself) are now believing. Upon these principals and values do we believe that homosexuals should have the right to marry.
 
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I disagree, substantially. Then again my relatives were involved in LYNCHING a Tory in Essex, CT after the American Revolution because he refused to either swear allegiance to the US Government or to leave the country. This nation was founded on the concept of morals, values, and principles. We've now let those things wane and we're worse off for it.

No this country was founded on FREEDOM and LIBERTY and respect for ALL PEOPLES morals not just the ones YOU choose to see LMAO

Thats where your disconnect is. We all still have morals and values and principles its just that YOU want everyone else to be forced to share YOURS, thats not america and never was.
 
But the point is that can change by the supreme court if its ruled unconstitutional by referring to discrimination and equal rights just like interracial marriage.
I absolutely agree, because how is it NOT discrimination to not let gays marry? I wish it would become legalized federally, because not all 50 states are going to agree unfortunately. There's literally no sane reason to not legalize it other than homophobes, who clearly aren't confident enough in their own sexuality.
 
I don't think the federal government should force states to go against their constitutions and votes. I also don't think it would be right to wait until the Supreme Court is stacked with liberal judges who will warp the Constitution. If the states decided to Amend the Constitution and make sexuality a protected entity under the equal protection clause then that would force the states to allow homosexual marriages. I think that would happen sooner than all states changing their view.

I do especially if it violates equal rights and is discrimination which I think it does.

So the question would be "warp" according to who?

Also sexuality/gay is already a protected class so it wouldnt be hard or warping IMO.
 
I do especially if it violates equal rights and is discrimination which I think it does.

So the question would be "warp" according to who?

Also sexuality/gay is already a protected class so it wouldnt be hard or warping IMO.

As the EPC is worded currently I don't think there is a legal basis for saying it includes homosexual orientation. In legal terms I don't think the federal government should have the right to pass a federal law that forces states to go against their constitutions and issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. If the federal government was the one issuing marriage licenses then this would be fine.

In order to stay within the bounds of the Constitution and not trample on the rights of the states I think the best way to legalize gay marriage would be to do so formally by amending the Constitution. You don't need the support of all the states to do so and I think it is the best approach under the current laws and how things are legally.
 
I absolutely agree, because how is it NOT discrimination to not let gays marry? I wish it would become legalized federally, because not all 50 states are going to agree unfortunately. There's literally no sane reason to not legalize it other than homophobes, who clearly aren't confident enough in their own sexuality.

agreed, it will happen just like interracial marriage. America rights its wrongs even if its forced to by the constitution or supreme court etc.

When interracial marriage was made legal I think something like 80% of the country was against it, pathetic. The majority wasnt even for it until like 1997 which is even more said. its around 75% I think today, I also believe its 90+% with the 30 and under crowd. Gotta love people learning right from wrong.
 
As the EPC is worded currently I don't think there is a legal basis for saying it includes homosexual orientation. In legal terms I don't think the federal government should have the right to pass a federal law that forces states to go against their constitutions and issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. If the federal government was the one issuing marriage licenses then this would be fine.

In order to stay within the bounds of the Constitution and not trample on the rights of the states I think the best way to legalize gay marriage would be to do so formally by amending the Constitution. You don't need the support of all the states to do so and I think it is the best approach under the current laws and how things are legally.

Maybe its the way of the least resistance but meanwhile people are being discriminated against and not sharing equal rights.

No thanks, Im for the supreme court ridding our country of discrimination and giving equal gay rights.

Currently you cant fire a person for being gay right? isnt that because they are a protected class and cant be discriminated against?
 
This isnt about whether you support it or are for same sex marriage or think its ok. What I am asking is how long do you think it will be until american politics makes it legal.

A while ago I thought I wouldn't see it in my life time but my daughter would. But now with some bigotry dying every day and people fighting for equal rights for all americans and america always slowing righting its wrongs, ridding itself of discrimination my pick is 10 years max.

The support for equal gay rights has been growing strong as of late and there are even plenty of those that don't agree with it that support equality and don't want to discriminate.

Also looking at a similar issue support for same sex marriage has is dramatically passed what the support for interracial marriage was. Currently its around 50+%, sadly interracial marriage didn't have a majority approval until around 1997 (30 years after it was made legal, pathetic)

SSM won't be legalized because the people all of a sudden had a moral leap and decided it was ok. That's not why slavery ended, that's not how interracial marriage was legalized, and that's not how ssm will be legalized.

The courts will force it on the people, and over time the people will acclimate to it. It's not that we will grow to support ssm, it's that we will just get used to it like the weather.

I give it 10-15, and I base that guess on the stubbornness of gays who refuse to stick with arguments which work in favor of the often tried and failed equality arguments. If they used the winning arguments, SSM would be actualized in under 5 years, but gay's being indignant will drag this out longer that it needs to be.
 
Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.
 
SSM won't be legalized because the people all of a sudden had a moral leap and decided it was ok. That's not why slavery ended, that's not how interracial marriage was legalized, and that's not how ssm will be legalized.

The courts will force it on the people
, and over time the people will acclimate to it. It's not that we will grow to support ssm, it's that we will just get used to it like the weather.

I give it 10-15, and I base that guess on the stubbornness of gays who refuse to stick with arguments which work in favor of the often tried and failed equality arguments. If they used the winning arguments, SSM would be actualized in under 5 years, but gay's being indignant will drag this out longer that it needs to be.

I agree with the bolded and that was my point.
 
Hopefully sometime soon. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it isn't already. I don't care what anyone says- your personal opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Point blank.

well I wouldnt say it doesnt matter but the part I dont get is that their opinion wont have to change!!!!

If it becomes legal today they can still think its wrong tomorrow THATS whats great about our country. But right now they want to force thier opinions on others and thats NOT what america is about.
 
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