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Your Grade for Obama

Your Grade for Obama

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TheDemSocialist said:
I kinda find it hard to believe that people called Ronald Wilson Reagan or William (Bill) Jefferson Blythe III or George Herbert Walker Bush or Richard Milhouse Nixon...
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Reagan - very rarely was his middle name used. Only after he was out of office and then rarely still. Clinton however had his middle name used and as I recall was proud of it being used, Nixon not sure. Only time I saw it was during his funeral, and I think on a book or two. George Herbert Walker Bush more often used to differentiate between his son George Walker Bush, but while he was in office it was just President Bush. The difference is, no one cared then or now about any of those other Presidents. They only care about the current President.
 
Ockham said:
Milhous is an unusual name (at least, I don't know anyone other than Richard Nixon who had that middle name) and is quite often used when referencing Nixon formally. Other than the character on the Simpsons I've never heard of the name being used.
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Formally, perhaps. I just don't see the same fascination with the middle name of a man someone disagrees with. Except for Romney, who's middle name is Mitt.

If you want to see Obama negatively, there's more than enough reason for that. His middle name is not an issue.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Not from any of the righties who insist on wielding the "Hussein" part like a cudgel.
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You have two errors above. First is that I am a conservative and I never use Hussein. Normally, when I am not lazy, I say President Obama, due to the lack of respect for conservatives here, I have shortened it to Obama. Second, it is a fact that other Presidents have had their middle name used. I am sure that some use Obama's middle name to goad liberals and some may be even insinuating that Obama is a Muslim who is attempting to destroy the United States. I don't believe he is a Muslim, but I am also not sure what he is.

RadicalModerate said:
It's a pathetically immature and racially based way of pointing out that Obama is somehow not a real American-- too liberal, maybe born in Kenya, a elitist, has the same last name as the Muslim Arabs over there in the Mideast...
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There may be a few that are racially motivated, but I doubt many. It is immature, but I'll come back to this in a second. Yes, we conservatives find him far too liberal. Many conservatives find his policies and that of many Dems in Congress to be foreign to what they know has been the history of the U.S. I believe Obama was born in Hawaii. His name is probably Muslim based, but so what?

Now, about that immaturity. It is rampant on this and probably all debating sites. Unless, you are blind, you will easily see that it happens on all sides of the political aisle. If you don't believe me, I will gladly show you where liberals are immature as anyone on this site. I can show you the same from conservatives. Who did it first? Who cares? I have grown tired of some of the threads that liberals have started or highjacked and I have a habit of goading the liberals on those threads. They say that all the GOP candidates are all crazy or stupid or whatever their peeve is. I respond by bashing Dems or Obama. I try not to start it, but I will provide Hell if they wish to persist. In the meantime, I am having fun.

RadicalModerate said:
It's pathetic. And hiding behind the "it's his middle name, what?" is wearing mighty thin.
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Probably is. It will probably not stop just as I bet the immature behavior by liberals won't either. Do you have a solution to this?
 
Ockham said:
Reagan - very rarely was his middle name used. Only after he was out of office and then rarely still. Clinton however had his middle name used and as I recall was proud of it being used, Nixon not sure. Only time I saw it was during his funeral, and I think on a book or two. George Herbert Walker Bush more often used to differentiate between his son George Walker Bush, but while he was in office it was just President Bush. The difference is, no one cared then or now about any of those other Presidents. They only care about the current President.
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Perhaps because no other president's name middle name is used in such a derogatory fashion, along with calling him Barry Soetero. I dunno if that's what happened in this case, but there's a systematic trend of critics emphasizing his middle name as if to say OMGZORZ HE'S MUSLIM/KENYAN/ALIEN/NOT AMERICAN.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I kinda find it hard to believe that people called Ronald Wilson Reagan or William (Bill) Jefferson Blythe III or George Herbert Walker Bush or Richard Milhouse Nixon...
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I am not say most or even many did, but their middle names were used.
 
I'd give him a C-. He's done a piss-poor job overall, but he did get DADT repealed. OTOH, I would give George W. Bush a D-. The Patriot Act and illegal pre-emptive war on Iraq would have been an automatic F, except the OP had to add that stupid "The worst traitor, blah blah blah."


Edit: Ah, never mind. I foolishly answered the OP's question, but the thread has already been hijacked into a discussion of presidential middle names. My bad.
 
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DiAnna said:
I'd give him a C-. He's done a piss-poor job overall, but he did get DADT repealed. OTOH, I would give George W. Bush a D-. The Patriot Act and illegal pre-emptive war on Iraq would have been an automatic F, except the OP had to add that stupid "The worst traitor, blah blah blah."


Edit: Ah, never mind. I foolishly answered the OP's question, but the thread has already been hijacked into a discussion of presidential middle names. My bad.
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To be honest, he didn't even play a particularly large role in that. That was mainly Congress and the courts' doing.

Like I said before, the President is like the quarterback. When outcomes go wrong, he gets all the blame (whether or not he is actually to blame or not). When a few things go right, we attribute the good things to him.
 
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DiAnna said:
I'd give him a C-. He's done a piss-poor job overall, but he did get DADT repealed. OTOH, I would give George W. Bush a D-. The Patriot Act and illegal pre-emptive war on Iraq would have been an automatic F, except the OP had to add that stupid "The worst traitor, blah blah blah."


Edit: Ah, never mind. I foolishly answered the OP's question, but the thread has already been hijacked into a discussion of presidential middle names. My bad.
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The war in Iraq was not done illegally. Congress gave him the OK to proceed. Syria however was/is illegal since Congress never gave Obama the OK. The only reason that Obama was able to continue in Syria is because he's not calling it a war because "We don't have soldier on the ground".

Patriot Act + Obamacare = same in my book.

I will give Obama DADT though.

Edit note: Sorry folks I mean Lybia...NOT syria. :p *smacks self on head and says "BAD BRAIN BAD!"*
 
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LesGovt said:
I am not say most or even many did, but their middle names were used.
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I just find it funny that conservatives like to throw Baracks middle name (Huessin) around like some scare tactic.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The war in Iraq was not done illegally. Congress gave him the OK to proceed. Syria however was/is illegal since Congress never gave Obama the OK. The only reason that Obama was able to continue in Syria is because he's not calling it a war because "We don't have soldier on the ground".

Patriot Act + Obamacare = same in my book.
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Just to clarify Kal, I think you meant Libya.
 
Ockham said:
It certainly could be to use Obama's actual middle name against him, or it could be because it's Obama's actual middle name.... Many Presidents have their middle initial or middle name used both in office and after they're out of office. What's funny is using even Obama's middle initial makes all the Obama-bots immediately go to Defcon 4, hair on end and hissing violently they start bombing everyone and everything around them.
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Defcon 4- lol. Yeah right. It's annoying as all hell to hear this kind of juvenile name-calling from the right. I'm just gonna say it one last time and then be done, because this is how this little game works.

People bring up Barack Hussein Obama to make a snarky little reference to the fact his name sounds like Saddam Hussein, who was a Arab dictator, and Arabs are Muslims, and maybe Obama is a muslim, and muslims want to destroy America and it all fits together in a neat little package that maybe Obama isn't a "real" American.

It's dumb, it's immature, it's borderline racist and it's the perfect little jab, because anytime someone like me calls out the obvious, the name-callers can revert back to the script you've just recited; "Oh, it's just his name, why, are you calling me racist, don't be so sensitive, gawd, you liberals..."

There, I've said my bit. I'm done.
 
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It's difficult to take seriously a poll that offers "The Greatest Traitor in U.S. History" as a choice.
 
Serenity said:
Too many failed promises and still waiting for him to earn his Nobel Peace Prize.
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I really must practice my Golf game, perhaps they will then give me a Nobel peace prize, nah, they would never be that stupid ...........would they?
 
I don’t get it. Doesn’t anyone remember ‘Lyndon Baines Johnson’, ‘John Fitzgerald Kennedy’, Franklin Delano Roosevelt’, ‘William Jefferson Clinton’…even ’George Walker Bush’…using presidents middle names has been VERY common historically. Why all the current sensitivity?
 
Dickieboy said:
I don’t get it. Doesn’t anyone remember ‘Lyndon Baines Johnson’, ‘John Fitzgerald Kennedy’, Franklin Delano Roosevelt’, ‘William Jefferson Clinton’…even ’George Walker Bush’…using presidents middle names has been VERY common historically. Why all the current sensitivity?
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Please. See RadicalModerate's post above.

As far as Obama's grade, I'd give him a B+ taking into consideration the ****storm he walked into and the historically obstructive minority he's had to deal with. I wish that he had not continued so many of Bush's war on terror policies, but in other respects I can't see how he could have done much better.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Perhaps because no other president's name middle name is used in such a derogatory fashion, along with calling him Barry Soetero. I dunno if that's what happened in this case, but there's a systematic trend of critics emphasizing his middle name as if to say OMGZORZ HE'S MUSLIM/KENYAN/ALIEN/NOT AMERICAN.
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It's certainly a component. The facade of innocence behind it is rather phony too.
 
Personally I would bet that they keep using "Hussain" because they know it drives the otherside crazy.
 
Due to the fight needed on every step of progress, I gave him a B, on all areas except military spending and the Patriot Act, on which I give him an F.
 
I would say a C-. Everything good he has done if it were a campaign promise was very washed down and he was not good at rallying the democrats when they had a super majority, a period he could have gotten quite a bit done. In this aspect, Bush and nearly every president of my lifetime other than maybe Bush Sr. has been better than Obama as president. On the flipside he has done quite a bit of good, but also has the foreign policy of a mainstream conservative.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I would say a C-. Everything good he has done if it were a campaign promise was very washed down and he was not good at rallying the democrats when they had a super majority, a period he could have gotten quite a bit done. In this aspect, Bush and nearly every president of my lifetime other than maybe Bush Sr. has been better than Obama as president. On the flipside he has done quite a bit of good, but also has the foreign policy of a mainstream conservative.
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You have the two Bushes reversed.
 
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