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Your Grade for Obama

Your Grade for Obama

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What grade would you give to Barack Hussein Obama?
 
ronpaulvoter said:
What grade would you give to Barack Hussein Obama?
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Hmm probably about a C-

Quick question was is Obama the only president people like to use his middle name? Is Hussein a scary Islamic name?
 
I'd give him a B/B-/C+ on all issues except for social issues.
 
I would give him a D. He has done a horrible job.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hmm probably about a C-

Quick question was is Obama the only president people like to use his middle name? Is Hussein a scary Islamic name?
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It's the name he used when he was innaugurated. Are you ashamed of his middle name?
 
I would go with the C-. I had hoped for much better, but he was still an improvement during difficult times.
 
I give an I. He never even showed up for class.
 
Probably a "C-." He didn't do a very good job, but, it could have been worse.
 
Depends on what we're talking about.

Economy - No Grade, seeing as it's impossible for the executive to basically push anything necessary to fix the economy in the current Congressional climate one way or the other.

Budget/Fiscal issues - D.

Foreign Policy - B ish. Continued a lot of Bush-era policies but generally has done what I expected. I was wary of involvement in Libya, but at this point that has become more of a European problem more than anything, and I never thought the rebels would actually succeed, so that was a pleasant surprise. I guess the future of Libya still remains to be seen, however.
 
Krhazy said:
I'd give him a B/B-/C+ on all issues except for social issues.
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What grade would you give him for social issues? He hasn't done jack on that front at all. Lot of rhetoric, no actual policy. He's not even really in favor of gay marriage.
 
apdst said:
It's the name he used when he was innaugurated. Are you ashamed of his middle name?
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No.
I just remember when people made a big deal about his middle name...
Why when we talk about Ab Lincoln why dont we say Ronald Wilson Reagan? Or Jame Earl Carter? Is it because they have "English" middle names? Im gonna guess so
 
War on Terror- A (frankly cant imagine who or how anyone could have done better)
Commander in Chief- B (Biggest problem is no one really knows what he is doing. Maybe thats part of his 'genius')
Foreign Policy- D (What happened in Egypt? Libya? And if we are supposed to be opposing violence against citizens, what about Saudi, Syria, Bahrain? And how do you keep a straight face with your own economy in the toilet and then have the balls to tell Europe to get its **** together or blame them for your failings?)
Golf Game- C (A for number of rounds but D for quality...by all accounts his game is not at all improving)
Events Planner- A. Dood vacations like a BEAST. Gold star!!!
Social Programs- C- (generous...was going to give a D could maybe give an I for incomplete. You cant tout as an enormous success the health care plan that you played little role in creating and that wont even kick in for another 2 years)
Economy- D (Dood has doubled Bush's debt in only 3 years, unemployment is still out of sight-forget about the reported unemployment figures of 8-9%...they dont consider those that have dropped off the roles because their benefits have expired, those that have quit looking, etc. Only the biggest mindless hack would give him high marks here)
Leadership- F (Dismal failure...even democrats in congress keep scratching their heads wondering Wheres Waldo. No budget passed in his presidency. 2 month extensions at every turn. No...he isnt getting any help from EITHER party in congress...but then...as a leader THATS where you should probably start, instead of using your 4 year presidency as a platform to get re-elected. Completely vapid on the nation wide protests as he first attempted to co-opt the movement for political gain, then distanced himself)
Pandering- B...maybe even an A- (He has hit pretty much every special interest group in the last few months, just as we said he would almost a year ago. Only thing left is an official declaration on gay marriage and an amnesty Exec order...but those will stay in the vest until Im guess August time frame and he will only use them if his poll numbers are bad. other trick up the sleeve will be dropping Biden due to a mystery illness and replacing him with Hillary).

Overall- C-...maybe even a D. Wont matter...it will still be enough to get him reelected.
 
VanceMack said:
War on Terror- A (frankly cant imagine who or how anyone could have done better)
Commander in Chief- B (Biggest problem is no one really knows what he is doing. Maybe thats part of his 'genius')
Foreign Policy- D (What happened in Egypt? Libya? And if we are supposed to be opposing violence against citizens, what about Saudi, Syria, Bahrain? And how do you keep a straight face with your own economy in the toilet and then have the balls to tell Europe to get its **** together or blame them for your failings?)
Golf Game- C (A for number of rounds but D for quality...by all accounts his game is not at all improving)
Events Planner- A. Dood vacations like a BEAST. Gold star!!!
Social Programs- C- (generous...was going to give a D could maybe give an I for incomplete. You cant tout as an enormous success the health care plan that you played little role in creating and that wont even kick in for another 2 years)
Economy- D (Dood has doubled Bush's debt in only 3 years, unemployment is still out of sight-forget about the reported unemployment figures of 8-9%...they dont consider those that have dropped off the roles because their benefits have expired, those that have quit looking, etc. Only the biggest mindless hack would give him high marks here)
Leadership- F (Dismal failure...even democrats in congress keep scratching their heads wondering Wheres Waldo. No budget passed in his presidency. 2 month extensions at every turn. No...he isnt getting any help from EITHER party in congress...but then...as a leader THATS where you should probably start, instead of using your 4 year presidency as a platform to get re-elected. Completely vapid on the nation wide protests as he first attempted to co-opt the movement for political gain, then distanced himself)
Pandering- B...maybe even an A- (He has hit pretty much every special interest group in the last few months, just as we said he would almost a year ago. Only thing left is an official declaration on gay marriage and an amnesty Exec order...but those will stay in the vest until Im guess August time frame and he will only use them if his poll numbers are bad. other trick up the sleeve will be dropping Biden due to a mystery illness and replacing him with Hillary).

Overall- C-...maybe even a D. Wont matter...it will still be enough to get him reelected.
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Frankly, I don't see how what happened in Egypt really relates to Obama's performance.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Frankly, I don't see how what happened in Egypt really relates to Obama's performance.
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Well...if thats the only thing you disagree with then...happy days...but...

Egypt has long maintained a treaty and some semblance of stability in the Middle East. Egypt was an ally, Israel is an ally, the middle east is vital to not only the US but the global economy. As a leader you have to actually take stands and positions. I know thats hard for the guy. We dont know what Egypt will look like. We cant and shouldnt dictate their outcome but we should at least have a clear voice. Thats...well...kinda the gig you sign up for when you are president.
 
VanceMack said:
Well...if thats the only thing you disagree with then...happy days...but...

Egypt has long maintained a treaty and some semblance of stability in the Middle East. Egypt was an ally, Israel is an ally, the middle east is vital to not only the US but the global economy. As a leader you have to actually take stands and positions. I know thats hard for the guy. We dont know what Egypt will look like. We cant and shouldnt dictate their outcome but we should at least have a clear voice. Thats...well...kinda the gig you sign up for when you are president.
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Egypt was under brutal control of a US backed dictator that allowed little to no freedom and democracy. Obama held is mouth shut and the US political system did. Egypt was brought down by the will of the people. We sold the man weapons that he used against his own people to try to throw off the revolution.
Just another hypocritical system the US supported.
 
VanceMack said:
Well...if thats the only thing you disagree with then...happy days...but...

Egypt has long maintained a treaty and some semblance of stability in the Middle East. Egypt was an ally, Israel is an ally, the middle east is vital to not only the US but the global economy. As a leader you have to actually take stands and positions. I know thats hard for the guy. We dont know what Egypt will look like. We cant and shouldnt dictate their outcome but we should at least have a clear voice. Thats...well...kinda the gig you sign up for when you are president.
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I believe that what happened in Egypt was largely out of our control and didn't have a lot to do with American action. The Administration simply saw that the future of Egypt wasn't on Mubarak's side and decided to back the winning horse. This has little to do with actual policy or action, because don't we always say that speeches aren't policy?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Egypt was under brutal control of a US backed dictator that allowed little to no freedom and democracy. Obama held is mouth shut and the US political system did. Egypt was brought down by the will of the people. We sold the man weapons that he used against his own people to try to throw off the revolution.
Just another hypocritical system the US supported.
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yep...its a hard ugly world out there and sometimes you have to decide who you are going to get in bed with. that reality thing is a bitch, isnt it. How much more wonderful a world will it be when the Muslim Brotherhood seizes control, imposes sharia, reengages the persecution of women, kills gays, and allows terrorist actions against Israel? Sometimes you dont have a GREAT choice...you have to make the only wise and AVAILABLE choice.

Ideologues have no business in leadership positions. They ARE however comfortable and perfectly safe living in moms basement and letting the grown-ups take care of the hard work.
 
I voted other. Obama showed that he, just like Bush, is a warmongering imperialist. Nothing has changed with the exception that things have gotten worse under Obama. He has pushed for more war (eg the "humanitarian intervention" in Libya and escalating the war in Afghanistan), his attempts to resuscitate the economy did nothing though he did try, he has just signed a bill into law that allows the President to indefinitely detain US citizens, and the situation with Iran has worsened with him stating that the US was "not taking any options off the table" in regards to dealing with Iran.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I believe that what happened in Egypt was largely out of our control and didn't have a lot to do with American action. The Administration simply saw that the future of Egypt wasn't on Mubarak's side and decided to back the winning horse. This has little to do with actual policy or action, because don't we always say that speeches aren't policy?
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Didnt say we should have stepped in or attempted to control their fate (though we did that in Libya...and then oddly NOT in Syria...curious that). Do you know what Obamas position is on Egypt? Now? then? for a while it was trumpeted as a great success...these uprisings and democracy. Now...silence...huh...why is that? Perhaps because people are getting killed there now, people are still dying by the hundreds in those other countries, etc. And again...where is the LEADERSHIP?

what you are proposing is that its OK to just not have a foreign policy...which is fine...that makes you a Ron Paul supporter. The difference between Ron Paul and Obama is that Paul makes no bones about not engaging the world in foreign policy.

So...would you be satisfied with a C- in the foreign policy realm? it wont make a difference in the overall grade...
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Egypt was under brutal control of a US backed dictator that allowed little to no freedom and democracy. Obama held is mouth shut and the US political system did. Egypt was brought down by the will of the people. We sold the man weapons that he used against his own people to try to throw off the revolution.
Just another hypocritical system the US supported.
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Obama vowed to support the uprising and continue to be an ally to what has turned into an Islamist government.

Have you noticed that Obama has supported uprisings against pro-American governments and reamined silent about uprisings against anti-American governments?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hmm probably about a C-

Quick question was is Obama the only president people like to use his middle name? Is Hussein a scary Islamic name?
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Have you never heard of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Milhouse Nixon, James Earl Carter, Ronald Wilson Reagan, or William Jefferson Clinton?
 
I'd say that Obama has proved to be yet another hand puppet of the ruling elite, which is to be expected from a Junior Senator who barely knew his way around the Beltway when he moved into the Oval Office.
 
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