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Freedom vs Safety

Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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Thunder said:
crossing the street against the light, puts others at great risk.

driving though a stop sign, puts others at great risk.

you see that...right?
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I've told you my answer to that. Why must I answer the same question over and over again?
 
Thunder said:
yeah, New York City has just as much tryanny as North Korea.

sounds like you have no idea what TRUE tryanny is.
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Its a bit sad the only argument you have is its not as bad.
 
SAFETY. Without a doubt or reservation.
 
I chose freedom. I feel safer being free than having to follow a million rules.
 
Temporal said:
I chose freedom. I feel safer being free than having to follow a million rules.
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Whereas I feel much safer when others are restrained from making the stupid decisions that they so often make.
 
Tigger said:
Whereas I feel much safer when others are restrained from making the stupid decisions that they so often make.
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Humans being human. There's lots of stupidity out there, like trading freedom for perceived safety.
 
Thunder said:
ah, so you TOO believe that Stop signs, Stop lights, and Don't Walk signs, are tyrannical?
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I believe stupid statements are stupid. Thanks for the hyperbole, come back when you want to discuss this with any shred of intellectual honesty.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, come back when your statements are not so profoundly stupid.
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I'm sorry that you found my question to be stupid.

Do you consider Stop lights, Stop signs, and Don't Walk signs, to be an unacceptable infringement upon your civil rights?
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry that you found my question to be stupid.

Do you consider Stop lights, Stop signs, and Don't Walk signs, to be an unacceptable infringement upon your civil rights?
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Of course not, those are in general efficiency rules for use of public roads. It was learned the hard way (such as the yellow light). As I said previously, it is oft foolish to surrender freedom for perceived increases in safety. However, that is not a statement of anarchy as you seemingly want to take it as. There are many rules put forth for the protection of our rights and liberties and those laws are just.
 
Ikari said:
I believe stupid statements are stupid. Thanks for the hyperbole, come back when you want to discuss this with any shred of intellectual honesty.
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Ikari said:
Yes, come back when your statements are not so profoundly stupid.
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That could be a very, very long wait.
 
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Thunder said:
ah, so you TOO believe that Stop signs, Stop lights, and Don't Walk signs, are tyrannical?
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I'm not sure I understand this... Do you think that those traffic regulations don't drastically cut down on accidents? Both Ikari and I stated that some freedom must give way to safety, but that perceived safety is worthless. There is great social utility in people not crashing cars into each other. Freedom does not necessarily suggest anarchy. Remember how my freedom to swing my fist stops at your face? My freedom to drive my car as I like ends when I endanger others, and we collectively agreed that lights and signs are a good way to keep ourselves safe, and we have the stats to back up that presumption.
 
I don't know who you are poster nor do I care. I suggest strongly that you readjust your spectacles and reread my post as written and not make implications based on your thought processes as I did not use thise when I wrote my post. I was far away in a land where freedoms were a memory yet felt very safe with when alone or with my comrades. Everyone measures safety and freedom in a different manner. I don't have to have a cop at my front door to feel safe, some folks have to have one in each room of their home to feel safe.

Freedoms are eroded daily by local and state and federal government rules and regulations masked to look as if they are for our benefit whem they arenothing more than the continual encroachments on our freedoms and liberties as those enjoyed by many generations before us.

And you call that starnge thinking huh? Reading your post causes me to wonder about the thinking methods you employ friend poster or should I say earthworm. hahahahahaha!
 
earthworm- By the by oof you happen to take the time to review the initial thread question it was merely, "Which do you value more freedom or safety?" Nothing more, nothing less. Your examples cited of an auto accident and yelling fire in a crowded theater did not come close being a reasonable answer to this very simple question in the manner in which it was stated. Your serve!
 
Great post! Especially this...

There's a certain balance that maximizes the real value of freedom, and in recent years I've become convinced of the necessity for gov't to prevent overwhelmingly powerful private concerns (ie corporations, for one) from trampling the rights of the individual.
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Good post, my friend. Silly system won't allow me to "like" it. Good to see you here!
 
Now we have a substantially increased amount of scrutiny on ourselves, with minimal (if any at all) effect on whether or not we'll actually be subject to a terrorist attack by foreigners.

Freedom and safety are both very important, but the illusion of safety is worthless, and sacrificing freedom to allay a panic is disastrous.
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I agree with what you express here. Would like to "like" your post, but can't...not option for that on some posts? I'm new, and haven't figured out the finer points of posting here, yet.
 
Freedoms are eroded daily by local and state and federal government rules and regulations masked to look as if they are for our benefit whem they arenothing more than the continual encroachments on our freedoms and liberties as those enjoyed by many generations before us.
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Sad, but true.

Dammit...won't let me "like" this one, either. Gotta figure this out.
 
So far, I like your posts. I find the logic and sensibility refreshing.
 
If you live by the gun you die by the gun. So I value my safety to be free from guns.
 
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