Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

[Wake]

Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

 

[liblady]

Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

communism is a join-by-choice hate group? can you explain that to me?

enlightening to notice that empirica believes white supremacists deserve respect.

 

[Wake]

communism is a join-by-choice hate group? can you explain that to me?

That's not what I said. I said I view communists as worse than white supremacists because far more people died under communism/communists than Naziism.

 

[Thunder]

That's not what I said. I said I view communists as worse than white supremacists because far more people died under communism/communists than Naziism.

simple body counts decides the validity of an ideology??

:lamo

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

This is almost absurd.

I'm no fan of communism, but before you lump communists in with Stalin, you have to understand that there has never really been a communist system that was actually communist - just like the Nationalist Socialist Party of Nazi Germany wasn't actually socialist, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is not actually democratic. Just because they call themselves that does not mean that's what they are.

Secondly, do you think Nazism is the only regime to ever try to exterminate a race? Perhaps you're the one who needs to go read a book.

Beyond that, yes, white supremacists have the same right to speak as anyone else. Whether they deserve to be respected in doing so is a matter of personal opinion; I can't say I'd blame someone who didn't.

 

[Removable Mind]

Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

Wake, given the question you raised, I guess my question is, "how can such a group speak in open forums without at least alluding to violence? They don't really have any other attraction to it's organized groups around the world other than using topics of violence to address their position and solutions on race." The advocating of violence seems to be their vanguard.

 

[Wake]

This is almost absurd.

I'm no fan of communism, but before you lump communists in with Stalin, you have to understand that there has never really been a communist system that was actually communist - just like the Nationalist Socialist Party of Nazi Germany wasn't actually socialist, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is not actually democratic. Just because they call themselves that does not mean that's what they are.

Secondly, do you think Nazism is the only regime to ever try to exterminate a race? Perhaps you're the one who needs to go read a book.

Beyond that, yes, white supremacists have the same right to speak as anyone else. Whether they deserve to be respected in doing so is a matter of personal opinion; I can't say I'd blame someone who didn't.

Let's not rush.

This is not absurd, as you claim, because I understand that there has "never been a communist system that has actually been communist." Thus, whoever these people are that continuously try to apply the theory irl, and fail on application, thus resulting in misery and death, I take issue with. That, my friend, is the absurdity. It is absurd to keep trying to apply the theory of communism when doing so would create a utopia---"utopia" is a misnomer, because it means "no place." The people who keep trying to bring about communism are who I detest. Do you have a better name for them, besides communists? Maybe "people who keep trying to apply communism to the real world," Smoke?

Of course I realize that Naziism isn't the only regime to ever try to extreminate a race. I used them as an example since the issue is white supremacists.

Alright, so you agree they should be able to speak on a forum like this and, perhaps, not be bombarded with attacks?

 

[Thunder]

I see no reason to be civil & polite to racists, anti-Semites,
homophobes, Islamophobes, and the like.

 

[Empirica]

Although the options could have been better worded, I selected "Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard)" because of the (to be heard) addition.

I have no respect for anyone whose opinions are based on hate, but I will never know their motivation if they are denied the opportunity to present their case.

I even support the right of communists to to be heard even though they are responsible for more murders, suffering and oppression than any group in the history of the human race.

Just curious, are White Supremacists not permitted to post here at Debate Politics?

 

[liblady]

That's not what I said. I said I view communists as worse than white supremacists because far more people died under communism/communists than Naziism.

your question is about wqhite supremacist groups. bringing communism or nazism in is a logical fallacy.

 

[Wake]

Wake, given the question you raised, I guess my question is, "how can such a group speak in open forums without at least alluding to violence? They don't really have any other attraction to it's organized groups around the world other than using topics of violence to address their position and solutions on race." The advocating of violence seems to be their vanguard.

If they don't have actual violence in their message, I don't have much problem. I know that the NAZIs had actual violence in their message. I also understand that communists, or should I say, "people who keep trying to bring about communism," don't have violence in their message yey usually that is the end result.

 

[Wake]

your question is about wqhite supremacist groups. bringing communism or nazism in is a logical fallacy.

Not when I speak of groups I dislike. Thus, why I, yet again, state that I dislike "people who try to bring about communism" more than white supremacists.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Let's not rush.

This is not absurd, as you claim, because I understand that there has "never been a communist system that has actually been communist." Thus, whoever these people are that continuously try to apply the theory irl, and fail on application, thus resulting in misery and death, I take issue with. That, my friend, is the absurdity. It is absurd to keep trying to apply the theory of communism when doing so would create a utopia---"utopia" is a misnomer, because it means "no place." The people who keep trying to bring about communism are who I detest. Do you have a better name for them, besides communists? Maybe "people who keep trying to apply communism to the real world," Smoke?

Of course I realize that Naziism isn't the only regime to ever try to extreminate a race. I used them as an example since the issue is white supremacists.

Alright, so you agree they should be able to speak on a forum like this and, perhaps, not be bombarded with attacks?

I would tend to agree with you that true communism is basically a non-starter, when you consider human nature.

However, that is my opinion. It is only an opinion, because it's impossible to prove a negative (i.e. it's never been done, therefore I can't prove that it can't be done). And while I think my opinion is a well-founded one, that does not mean that a person who believes communism could work agrees with me. As far as they're concerned, it could work. They don't believe it would cause misery and death. There is nothing malicious about their position in the least. I just find it profoundly impractical.

I feel the same way about far-right conservatives that basically want to return to feudalism. I don't believe their intent is malicious. But I still think it's terribly impractical and doomed to failure. Do you hate far-right conservatives and think them malicious? This is especially relevant in light of your recent economic shift.

I agree they should be allowed to speak anywhere they like. I think they are subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else. Goodness knows there's plenty to scrutinize with white supremacy. I'm not bothered if that amounts to bombardment. However, there is no reason it needs to be necessarily uncivil.

 

[Empirica]

communism is a join-by-choice hate group? can you explain that to me?

enlightening to notice that empirica believes white supremacists deserve respect.

I don't respect white supremist any more than I respect you, but I do respect both your and their right to be heard.

 

[soccerboy22]

White supremacists can speak here just like all of us as long as they follow the rules.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Speaking in regards to DP, if a member is not breaking any of DP's rules, anyone can post, even white supremacists. We've had some of them here before. They tend not to last long. They either leave via choice... they get confronted and out-debated so often that they leave and go to places that are easier... where their views are not confronted, or they end up breaking rules and get banned.

And Wake... your communism presentation is ridiculous... but you've already been told that several times.

 

[Empirica]

This is almost absurd.

I'm no fan of communism, but before you lump communists in with Stalin, you have to understand that there has never really been a communist system that was actually communist - just like the Nationalist Socialist Party of Nazi Germany wasn't actually socialist, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is not actually democratic. Just because they call themselves that does not mean that's what they are.Secondly, do you think Nazism is the only regime to ever try to exterminate a race? Perhaps you're the one who needs to go read a book.

Beyond that, yes, white supremacists have the same right to speak as anyone else. Whether they deserve to be respected in doing so is a matter of personal opinion; I can't say I'd blame someone who didn't.

Word manipulation to confuse and control is the signature trademark of the far left.

This is all too evident by the newspeak requirements of modern Political Correctness.

 

[Thunder]

White Supremacists have the right to be heard, and the rest of us have the right to condemn their vile & pathological hatred.

 

[liblady]

I don't respect white supremist any more than I respect you, but I do respect both your and their right to be heard.

touche. my choice was that they deserve NO general respect, and wake ****ed up the poll by qualifying your choice. a right to post and a right to be heard are the same thing.

 

[iliveonramen]

I said "I don't know" because it depends on the forums. Forums are not public forums they are owned and operated by someone.

I don't know about DP (seems very open to different ideas) but not every forum owes you the space to write what you think.

As for treating them respect. To a certain point everybody should have some sliver of respect. I think you can be respectful while pointing out how ridiculous their viewpoints are!

 

[Removable Mind]

White Supremacists have the right to be heard, and the rest of us have the right to condemn their vile & pathological hatred.

I'm can't express how happy I am that nobody has the right to be heard. Nobody. That isn't what the 1st Amendment says. I wouldn't change the 1st Amendment to condemn the supremacist. Then it would work both ways. Image being tracked down and tortured until you were "willing" to listen so their message would be heard.

You know...like how Tigger would make the world.

 

[Wake]

And Wake... your communism presentation is ridiculous... but you've already been told that several times.

I respectfully disagree. I dislike communists, or should I say "people who try to apply communism," moreso than white supremacists. Not sure how that's a ridiculous presentation.

 

[liblady]

:roll:

Not when I speak of groups I dislike. Thus, why I, yet again, state that I dislike "people who try to bring about communism" more than white supremacists.

so your poll is based on groups you don't like being able to post. i see. :roll:

 

[rathi]

The basic tenant of white supremacy is that non-whites should be hated. It defines the whole ideology and is one that isn't acceptable. Communism or even fascism are nuanced ideas with acceptable goals even if they tend to turn out badly. A lot people liked Heinlein's citizenship through service concept and utopian communism promises equality and prosperity for all. Reality is however a harsh mistress and most people on this forum oppose them based on what historically happens when you give the state that much power. Still, we have shared values about building a great society even if we greatly disagree on the means. White Supremacy lacks such a redeeming characteristic as the goal itself is unacceptable in addition to the methods.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

This is idiotic. Communism is not inherently hateful. White supremacy is. Consequently, communists are not going to be disrespected (at least at the same level as white supremacists) because they merely advocate an economic ideology whereas white supremacists advocate racial supremacy and hate. I can't believe I actually had to explain that.