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Was the War in Iraq worth it?

Was the War in Iraq worth it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 19.6%

  • No

    Votes: 86 80.4%
  • Total voters
    107
Boo Radley said:
As I was a solider, I hope far fewer than you think. I served with honorable people, and there is no honor in torture. But I'm speaking about a poll. I'm speaking to the fact it was military leaders who resisted this violation of law.
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Cute, but the fact remains that water boarding isn't torture...and that is what was being addressed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the military think on the issue, it was them doing it or being ordered to do it.

Tell yourself what you must, but there is very little actually inaccurate in what I gave you, and there is more if you look, Improving BTW doesn't mean good. And you might want to look closer at those graphs. :coffeepap
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In the first on the page your link points to is an inaccuracy. All you have shown is some conjecture about why some group thinks it may have been misleading. You have nothing to substantiate that the US reputation "is in tatters". :shrug:
 
What was the point of that near decade long war again?
 
Ikari said:
What was the point of that near decade long war again?
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The reality is that the war was really quite short, the majority of that "near decade" was spent supporting the new government and protecting it from insurgents.
 
apdst said:
Got rid of Saddam. We don't have to worry about him invading his neighbors every few years.
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crazy. we took care of that problem quite easily. it didn't take losing 4500 soldiers to stop him.
 
liblady said:
crazy. we took care of that problem quite easily. it didn't take losing 4500 soldiers to stop him.
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Well, true .. but we might have had other things on our agenda: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114920-war-iraq-worth-8.html#post1060035789.

Still, not 100% sure we did anything more than delay the next attempt.

By the way, though I'm saddened by the deaths of our soldiers in any number, we might have gotten away comparatively cheaply: United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

As the chart indicates, the Civil War was particularly pricey.
 
So he bided his time, meanwhile working on putting together the deal, which would eventually have included a pipeline directly to China to save shipping costs, and the three partners worked on the plan.
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I am looking and do not see a direct route to run a pipe line from Iraq to China, is there one?
 
EarlzP said:
I am looking and do not see a direct route to run a pipe line from Iraq to China, is there one?
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Yeah, I don't either, at least in the perfect sense of the word "direct".

But maybe Saddam was hoping the Russian arms he might get in advance would take care of Iran and the other few would let him lease their pipeline land for a small price.

Regardless, that was his plan .. and here's a more updated plan for the pipeline: The Trans-Arabia Oil Pipeline to China - The Politics eZine
 
mac said:
The reality is that the war was really quite short, the majority of that "near decade" was spent supporting the new government and protecting it from insurgents.
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Yes the decade of involvement was more imperial means than military ones; yes. But still...was there a point? Was it worth it?
 
Ontologuy said:
As the chart indicates, the Civil War was particularly pricey.
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The Civil War was American vs. American, of course our casualties were highest from that war. In terms of deadliness, being under our full scale wars and other police actions such as Vietnam isn't really a hallmark of a decade long occupation of foreign land.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course it was. Iraq's government progessed 100 years in 10. Anyone with any 'progressive' in them must admit that. It went from a genocidal dictatorship to some semblence of democracy. Women's rights have progressed drastically, FGM and Honor Killings are no longer State sanctioned (legal). Censorship has been lessened from unimaginable degrees, it is now ok to criticize the government. The country is no longer in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, and is instead working with the international community towards the development of useful infrastructure. The Kurds and Marsh Arabs are no longer suffering genocide.

I mean, really... how could removing a backward genocidal dictatorship and replacing it with the beginnings of democracy not be worth it? Just ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs if it was worth it.

Iraq is now poised to develop like an Asian Tiger, instead of becoming another North Korea. We shined a light into the heart of darkness.
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Worth somewhere between $1 and $3T of US taxpayer money? I don't think so.
 
earthworm said:
Point taken..
Confused perceptions ?
By whom ?
Surely not Germany and Japan.
Nor the European nations.
Hard to view this strengthening of the Soviets to be anything but a good thing..
Also, Iran is probably the mid-east power broker, so why should not Iraq be friendly ??
I even question the money "wasted" ...
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Sorry, got mixed up.
Many neutral and third-world countries in the world were against the perception of Allies imperialism.
In addition, sorry about the statement concerning the strengthening of the Soviet Union. I meant the strengthening of the US
 
According to Wikileaks, 63% of Iraq War causalities have been civilian. That is NOT worth it. Bush and Blair are guilty of war crimes and should be tried for them. This is not a fringe view. Many Iraqis and American veterans are aware of the atrocities committed there and some international courts have called for their arrest.

And that 63% is not even counting all those who have died due to lack of necessities that the "shock and awe" campaign intentionally destroyed to cripple the country.

Anyone who can justify that is simply sick in the head.
 
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Ontologuy said:
Well, true .. but we might have had other things on our agenda: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114920-war-iraq-worth-8.html#post1060035789.

Still, not 100% sure we did anything more than delay the next attempt.

By the way, though I'm saddened by the deaths of our soldiers in any number, we might have gotten away comparatively cheaply: United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

As the chart indicates, the Civil War was particularly pricey.
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385 casualties in the Spanish American war?:shock: how did they manage that?
 
Ikari said:
Yes the decade of involvement was more imperial means than military ones; yes. But still...was there a point? Was it worth it?
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Imperial? Didn't I just read that we're leaving? Maybe I'm confused.
 
Platypus said:
According to Wikileaks, 63% of Iraq War causalities have been civilian. That is NOT worth it. Bush and Blair are guilty of war crimes and should be tried for them. This is not a fringe view. Many Iraqis and American veterans are aware of the atrocities committed there and some international courts have called for their arrest.

And that 63% is not even counting all those who have died due to lack of necessities that the "shock and awe" campaign intentionally destroyed to cripple the country.

Anyone who can justify that is simply sick in the head.
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You think a site dedicated to espionage is credible?
 
mac said:
Cute, but the fact remains that water boarding isn't torture...and that is what was being addressed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the military think on the issue, it was them doing it or being ordered to do it.
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I'm afraid you ahve your factswrong, waterboarding is and always has been torture. You fool yourself into thinking it isn't so you can justify torture. But a lie, even to ones self, is still just a lie.


In the first on the page your link points to is an inaccuracy. All you have shown is some conjecture about why some group thinks it may have been misleading. You have nothing to substantiate that the US reputation "is in tatters". :shrug:
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Again, tell yourself what you must, but the actual facts don't change.
 
Just got back from a long weekend. Have not read the thread at all yet, but I know my answer.

No!!!

I was skeptical when it started, and time has just reinforced and solidified my opinion.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm afraid you ahve your factswrong, waterboarding is and always has been torture. You fool yourself into thinking it isn't so you can justify torture. But a lie, even to ones self, is still just a lie.
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Dude, I've been waterboarded in training...

Again, tell yourself what you must, but the actual facts don't change.
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You haven't presented any facts, just conjecture, talking points and rumor...
 
Temporal said:
It was for the corporate shills... but not really anyone else. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqs dead as "collateral", a civilization reduced to rubble yet again, American soldiers lost defending oil fields and attacking "insurgents" (a.k.a Iraqi civilians who are fed up), and hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer money. It was a pretty costly war for one that shouldn't have happened in the first place, but did because of upper level lies and deceit.
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Yeah, all the insurgents I killed were Iraqi. Care to see all the passports from the '03 invasion I collected from Yemen, Syria, Chechnya, Iran, etc that had the reason for their visit listed ON THE PASSPORT as jihad? Or how about the Columbia University trained surgeon from Saudi we found. Or how about the Iranian made and planted EFP (Google that, nasty stuff) that blew my vehicle up and when I woke up my feet were on the pavement because the entire front end of my truck was gone. Yep, all those Iraqi's man. Wish they wouldn't have danced in the streets when we came in '03. Wish they wouldn't have fed me in their homes everynight in '07 when I was an advisor to the Iraqi Army and we didn't have anywhere to sleep.
Im really glad I fought for that discount in oil we got....oh wait....there wasn't any. Prices are pretty high. I remember the Rumalyah Oil Fields too. Yeah, there wasn't any bases down there. They just left those things undefended!! How dare those Generals not figure out the war was for oil. I guess we didn't think we should be doing that. I know, I fought for KBR. Dick Cheney's company. Oh wait, if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have had food, water, or a bathroom because they built infrastructure so Marines and soldiers could go fight. I can't believe they had the nerve to take those jobs so we could go fight the war! Tell you what else really pissed me off. Having to stand there for days on end and guard construction workers while we built that prison/well/road/hospital. I thought we were just there to destroy everything and there I was actually helping them.
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I'm tired of you liberal panty waists talking about us "poor servicemembers" that had to fight "for oil and greedy politicians". I volunteered to go kill terrorists because it pissed me off they ran a plane into one of our buildings. Period. I was already a Marine in 2001 when that happened and had a re-enlistment coming up. Guess when that re-enlistment happened? December 2002. Guess when I went to Iraq. February 2003. I knew, as did everyone around me, what I was getting into and I was all about it. My unit had over 70 out of 110 Marines that could have gotten out of the Marine Corps right before the invasion of Iraq. They all were hitting their 4 year mark around December of 2002. Guess what? NOT ONE GUY got out. We all believed in what we were doing. I know you guys (libs) can't grasp this concept: If someone hits you in the mouth, you hit them back. Thats what we did and we continue to do. If they want to hate Americans, we want them to hate us, the servicemember so they can't inflict their hate on you, the panty waist liberal. After all, if we, the rugged individuals, sat back and let you, the panty waist liberals, decide when to fight we'd all be speaking with an English accent/German/Japanese/Arabic right now huh?
 
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