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Was the War in Iraq worth it?

Was the War in Iraq worth it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 19.6%

  • No

    Votes: 86 80.4%
  • Total voters
    107
ecofarm said:
I think apdst has a CIB, from Iraq? I was a para, I've got my national defense ribbon (Gulf 1). I support liberation, even at terrible costs. We cannot allow people to live under unthinkable tyranny. World freedom before world peace; it's time we get it done.
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The hypocrisy here is astounding.
 
ecofarm said:
Not. Where do you get your history?



I think apdst has a CIB, from Iraq? I was a para, I've got my national defense ribbon (Gulf 1). I support liberation, even at terrible costs. We cannot allow people to live under unthinkable tyranny. World freedom before world peace; it's time we get it done.
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Thank you for your service. You have every right to whatever opinion you so desire. You have earned it.
 
apdst said:
Right, that's why he massed Republican Gaurd units on the Kuwaiti border in 1994. Not to mention his persicussion of the Kerds and the Shia.
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Oh my god! Still not invading anyone.
The North Korean Army is massed on the parallel.
Is it our job to be the policemen of the world?
 
I often wonder how many nations are concerned that we have armed cartels penetrating and massing on OUR borders? My thoughts are that they are applauding.

I am tired of the USA assuming the place of the world's policemen when the people we are trying to "liberate" prefer to see us crash and burn.

How arrogant to assume that it is our God given destiny to dictate to the world that our American values and interests come above all others regardless of the cost. I'm all for adhereing to American values and our ways of life. But I do not think it is our place to ram them down the unwelcoming throats of people, in other sovereign nations, half way around the globe.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Is it our job to be the policemen of the world?
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Yes. We're the only superpower and we have invisible planes. It is our responsibility to liberate the oppressed.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes. We're the only superpower and we have invisible planes. It is our responsibility to liberate the oppressed.
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I do so appreciate your sense of humor. Perhaps we should give China our invisible planes and let THEM send THEIR kids to die for our neocon aspiritions. I mean, we're sending them most of our work already. Why not? LOL!
 
ecofarm said:
Yes. We're the only superpower and we have invisible planes. It is our responsibility to liberate the oppressed.
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bull****. its not our responsibility to defend anyone but ourselves.

if we liberate someone, its cause we choose to, not cause we have to.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes. We're the only superpower and we have invisible planes. It is our responsibility to liberate the oppressed.
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Then why not invade Saudi Arabia, they oppress their people (oh yea we love them they give us oil)
Why not invade 3/4 of Africa? (Oh yea little resources there and they give us what they want from there)

You do realize we support sooo many oppressive government throughout history and currently do. Your whole "its our responsibility to liberate the oppressed" is just a load of ****.
 
Absolutely not, it was a complete waste of time, money and lives. It did nothing whatsoever to stop terrorism, it probably made things worse.
 
StillBallin75 said:
We don't have invisible planes...
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What? TV wouldn't lie!

Wonder Woman Plane.jpg
 
ecofarm said:
Not. Where do you get your history?



I think apdst has a CIB, from Iraq? I was a para, I've got my national defense ribbon (Gulf 1). I support liberation, even at terrible costs. We cannot allow people to live under unthinkable tyranny. World freedom before world peace; it's time we get it done.
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We can't really atop it, and honestly, don't really try to. We allow the illusion as much as we can, but have no problem with Iraq being ruled by a tyrant, as long as he is our tyrannt. Sadly.
 
mac said:
Regardless, we're talking about a leader of a nation that had committed genocide. We should have done more during, but removing him after was still worthwhile.
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Not really. As I have said, we merely added injury to injury. Little more.
 
mac said:
And that was wrong. I was replying to a "it didn't affect us, why would we care?" comment.
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Going in that late made us seem even more uncaring as we allowed to have the most harm possible to the people, allowing all those deaths in the genocide, then the suffering from the santions, followed by the suffering of war. We seem like real bastards for that. And I doubt anyone really believes our actions were motivated by care for the Iraqis. We wouldn't have brought them war that far down the road if we really cared.

So, I saying you can't present Iraq as a we care effort. We didn't and don't. Not our government. Not a bit.
 
Thunder said:
bull****. its not our responsibility to defend anyone but ourselves.

if we liberate someone, its cause we choose to, not cause we have to.
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I think he was just using sarcasm in a humorous way Thunder. Don't believe him to be advocating for the bad guys.

Just sayin' bro.
 
Captain America said:
I often wonder how many nations are concerned that we have armed cartels penetrating and massing on OUR borders? My thoughts are that they are applauding.

I am tired of the USA assuming the place of the world's policemen when the people we are trying to "liberate" prefer to see us crash and burn.

How arrogant to assume that it is our God given destiny to dictate to the world that our American values and interests come above all others regardless of the cost. I'm all for adhereing to American values and our ways of life. But I do not think it is our place to ram them down the unwelcoming throats of people, in other sovereign nations, half way around the globe.
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There are parts of the world that are still in the stone age...and from time to time, one of those cave men cause great damage to the civilized world. If you remember, one of the stone age cretins killed more Americans in one act, with a handful of people than did the Japanese attack on pearl harbor.

I say it's about time someone put an end to that ****, and I can guarantee you that it will not be anyone in Europe or Asia that does it. Guess that leaves us.
 
Boo Radley said:
Going in that late made us seem even more uncaring as we allowed to have the most harm possible to the people, allowing all those deaths in the genocide, then the suffering from the santions, followed by the suffering of war. We seem like real bastards for that. And I doubt anyone really believes our actions were motivated by care for the Iraqis. We wouldn't have brought them war that far down the road if we really cared.
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This sounds like the opinion of someone that has never been there...

So, I saying you can't present Iraq as a we care effort. We didn't and don't. Not our government. Not a bit.
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The reasons are complex, and are not limited to "we care about the Iraqis" but that doesn't mean we don't care. Evidence of that is in the great lengths our forces go to so avoid civilian casualties....often to their detriment.
 
Captain America said:
I do so appreciate your sense of humor. Perhaps we should give China our invisible planes and let THEM send THEIR kids to die for our neocon aspiritions. I mean, we're sending them most of our work already. Why not? LOL!
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Seriously. This is the argument I get from you. The old "well why don't we do everything at once?". The tried and true "priorities should not exist!" The well-thought-out and rational "we should treat all tyranny exactly the same!" I tired of fighting the argument that we should do everything at once, treat everyone the same and throw priorities and long term planning out the window.

Thunder said:
bull****. its not our responsibility to defend anyone but ourselves.
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That srikes me as cowardice.

if we liberate someone, its cause we choose to, not cause we have to.
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No, it's our obligation. World freedom then world peace.

TheDemSocialist said:
Then why not invade Saudi Arabia, they oppress their people (oh yea we love them they give us oil)
Why not invade 3/4 of Africa? (Oh yea little resources there and they give us what they want from there)

You do realize we support sooo many oppressive government throughout history and currently do. Your whole "its our responsibility to liberate the oppressed" is just a load of ****.
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I've already made this argument a dozen times, including extensively earlier in this thread.

1. We cannot do everything at the same time.
2. We must have priorities.
3. We must use alternate means as much as possible when direct intervention and nation building would be inappropriate (for various reasons) at this time.


Boo Radley said:
We can't really atop it, and honestly, don't really try to. We allow the illusion as much as we can, but have no problem with Iraq being ruled by a tyrant, as long as he is our tyrannt. Sadly.
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Don't be sad, you're wrong.

We had many problems with Saddam ruling Iraq. Have you forgotten about seventeen Ch. 7 UNSCRs over the course of two decades? There were always problems. From his globally condemned use of chemical weapons for genocide against his own people to shooting at planes to selling oil-for-food proceeds. He was a recurrent pain throughout his tenure.

Now, here's what changed: the US went from a policy of attrition via de-stabilization (playing evils against each other) to a policy of direct intervention and nation building. As I like to say, when destabilization hit globalization the plan changed.
 
No. How can a war based on lies and deceit EVER be worth it. The record is abundantly clear that Rumsfield and Cheney for decades had wanted to pursue an imperialistic agenda into Iraq. They couldn't convince the first Bush to proceed and had to wait for someone that they could control better.

How can ANYONE say that manipulating the public and using 911 to justify an invasion of a country that had ZERO to do with 911 was worth it?
 
Considering that thousands of Americans are dead, tens of thousands have been wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, $800 billion has been wasted, our international reputation is in tatters, and an Iraqi government is in place that is friendly with Iran, I would say it was not worth it.
 
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