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Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

  • Yes, it protects her from bearing the rapist's child

    Votes: 82 92.1%
  • No, that pill is unethical

    Votes: 7 7.9%

  • Total voters
    89
Pro-Lifers want tens of millions of American women to spend life in prison for the crime of having control of their bodies, and not being slaves to the religious & misogynist beliefs of men.

this is a fact.

“Pro-Choicers” are directly responsible for the brutal murders of tens of millions of innocent children.

This is a fact.
 
Are you really serious? What the heck man. Your posts are beyond retarded. Whoever said anything about killing millions of girls and women, or sending them to jail and having them raped? WTF man??? Your pov is way, WAY out there. So much so I can't take it seriously. You're using way too many red herrings and a ridiculous amount of hyperbole. You also need to back up your last sentence, because I find that not only ridiculous, but offensive.

No its not. Those who want abortion declared murder leads to the question what is the punishment for premeditated murder of a child? In most states there are only two possibilities. Life without parole or death penalty.

The quip about Jesus is because most are Christian rightwingers who will invoke Jesus' name in declaring abortion is murder.
 
“Pro-Choicers” are directly responsible for the brutal murders of tens of millions of innocent children.

This is a fact.

That's a lie.

As a matter of law if anyone publicly said a girl or a woman was "a murderer" for having an abortion, that girl or woman has a prima facie lawsuit for libel or slander (depending if the statement spoken or written). In fact, in law abortion is not "murder" and declaring someone committed a crime falsely is not only actionable, but the presumption is for the plaintiff and law asserts the motive was malicious. The statement also is presumed false unless the defendant can prove the woman committed specific violation of the penal code accused of. Since there is no such penal code provision, it is a certain winning case for the girl or woman bringing it.

Women have won such lawsuits against ministers.
 
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Now when you are discussing women who did, in fact, willingly participate in the murder of their own children.

You mean like you would be a murderer if your forced a girl to carry a baby to term against her wishes and she died in labor or childbirth?
 
One cannot be a "man" without thought and personal identity. Although both go through stages of development, the fetus is physically "tied" to the woman. Thus, it is within her realm of control.
Why can't you be a man? When you go to sleep or get knocked unconsciousness or are in a coma, are you not a man(or woman as the case may be)? Where do those developments come from or what are they developments of?

That the fetus is dependent on the woman is irrelevant. That is a fact of nature. There are many obligations and duties we have that involve elements that are not completely our choice; but they are moral obligations and duties nonetheless.
 
I am confident that forcing a girl to go through 9 months of pregnancy and labor - with all the physical dangers, lose of freedom, and physical pain involved - would be determined to be cruel and unusual punishment for the offense of being raped.

Given that only poor women couldn't get an abortion by going to another state or country, it also would be unconstitutional under equal rights provisions and equal due process provisions. Being anything but poor and in real terms abortion is legal. Have an abortion but be poor and you are a 1st degree murderer. That doesn't fly.

Cheap, fast and dirty abortion clinics would spring up on all borders and the Islands. Poor women would have to find some butcher in the slums and then also risking criminal prosecution.
 
“Pro-Choicers” are directly responsible for the brutal murders of tens of millions of innocent children.

This is a fact.

No, in fact it wasn't murder at all. You just want it to be.

What, exactly, is "brutal" about the morning after pill anyway? How is that "brutal?"

I believe most women would tell you what is "brutal" is being in labor.
 
“Pro-Choicers” are directly responsible for the brutal murders of tens of millions of innocent children.

This is a fact.

As a pro-choicer I would like you to supply a link to back up that statement.

Bee
 
Pro-Lifers want tens of millions of American women to spend life in prison for the crime of

This is where you start substituting your own views for theirs, putting words in their mouths.

having control of their bodies, and not being slaves to the religious & misogynist beliefs of men.

It gets us nowhere in this debate. Or any debate, but especially this one.

And then Bob's reply basically does the same thing.
 
This is where you start substituting your own views for theirs, putting words in their mouths.

It gets us nowhere in this debate. Or any debate, but especially this one.

And then Bob's reply basically does the same thing.

Most if not all anti-Abortionists want women who abort their fetus to spend life in prison...or be executed for their "crime".
 
Most if not all anti-Abortionists want women who abort their fetus to spend life in prison...or be executed for their "crime".

Of course. My point is why they want to.
 
Most if not all anti-Abortionists want women who abort their fetus to spend life in prison...or be executed for their "crime".
You seem to think you are making some sort of profound point, whereas it is pretty obvious and noncontroversial to pro-lifers that this is the case. Your entire emotional pull depends on this being absurd, which depends on treating the fetus as if it isn't a full human being, which is in direct contradiction of the pro-life position. Hence your post is stupid and useless.
 
“Pro-Choicers” are directly responsible for the brutal murders of tens of millions of innocent children.

This is a fact.

seems there are still people out there that have absolutely no clue what a fact is
or brutal
or murder
or innocent
or children

LOL
 
The victims of abortion—what crimes did they commit? How are they not innocent?

who said they have to "commit a crime" to not be innocent?

I guess in fantasy land thats the ONLY way to not be innocent but in reality thats not the case :shrug:
 
who said they have to "commit a crime" to not be innocent?

I guess in fantasy land thats the ONLY way to not be innocent but in reality thats not the case :shrug:

Yes. Do you care to say how victims of abortion are not innocent?
 
Yes. Do you care to say how victims of abortion are not innocent?

yes what?
are you implying the only way to not be innocent is to commit a crime because you would be 100% wrong
 
yes what?
are you implying the only way to not be innocent is to commit a crime because you would be 100% wrong

I don't really care for your excuse personally. What I want to know is how can the victim of abortion NOT be innocent.
 
I don't really care for your excuse personally. What I want to know is how can the victim of abortion NOT be innocent.

what excuse are you talking about Im talking about the DEFINITION of the word INNOCENT. Are you aware of its meanings?

Im talking facts, not excuse and while you COULD say they are innocent by using ONE definition of the word I COULD also say they are NOT innocent by using one definition of the word.

Now please answer the question so I know how to answer you, are you implying the only way to be innocent is not to commit a crime, yes or no LOL
 
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Tell me which definition are you trying to excuse yourself with?

1. a : free from guilt or sin especially through lack of knowledge of evil : blameless <an innocent child> b : harmless in effect or intention <searching for a hidden motive in even the most innocent conversation — Leonard Wibberley>; also : candid <gave me an innocent gaze> c : free from legal guilt or fault; also : lawful <a wholly innocent transaction>

2a : lacking or reflecting a lack of sophistication, guile, or self-consciousness : artless, ingenuous b : ignorant <almost entirely innocent of Latin — C. L. Wrenn>; also : unaware <perfectly innocent of the confusion he had created — B. R. Haydon>

3: lacking or deprived of something <her face innocent of cosmetics — Marcia Davenport>

Care to take responsibility for your own lack of an argument yet?
 
Tell me which definition are you trying to excuse yourself with?



Care to take responsibility for your own lack of an argument yet?

sure no problem at all LMAO
WEBSTERS:
a : free from guilt or sin especially through lack of knowledge of evil : blameless <an innocent child>
b : harmless in effect or intention <searching for a hidden motive in even the most innocent conversation — Leonard Wibberley>; also : candid <gave me an innocent gaze>
c : free from legal guilt or fault; also : lawful <a wholly innocent transaction>
2
a : lacking or reflecting a lack of sophistication, guile, or self-consciousness : artless, ingenuous b : ignorant <almost entirely innocent of Latin — C. L. Wrenn>; also : unaware <perfectly innocent of the confusion he had created — B. R. Haydon>
3
: lacking or deprived of something <her face innocent of cosmetics — Marcia Davenport>

THE FREE DICTIONARY
1. Uncorrupted by evil, malice, or wrongdoing; sinless: an innocent child.
2.
a. Not guilty of a specific crime or offense; legally blameless: was innocent of all charges.
b. Within, allowed by, or sanctioned by the law; lawful.
3.
a. Not dangerous or harmful; innocuous: an innocent prank.
b. Candid; straightforward: a child's innocent stare.
4.
a. Not experienced or worldly; naive.
b. Betraying or suggesting no deception or guile; artless.
5.
a. Not exposed to or familiar with something specified; ignorant: American tourists wholly innocent of French.
b. Unaware: She remained innocent of the complications she had caused.
6. Lacking, deprived, or devoid of something: a novel innocent of literary merit.

DICTIONARY.COM
1.
free from moral wrong; without sin; pure: innocent children.
2.
free from legal or specific wrong; guiltless: innocent of the crime.
3.
not involving evil intent or motive: an innocent misrepresentation.
4.
not causing physical or moral injury; harmless: innocent fun.
5.
devoid (usually followed by of ): a law innocent of merit.


Like I said no excuses, FACT, no lack of argument, FACT
care to take responsibility for your lack of knowledge?

Fact is, you COULD call a ZEF innocent by using only ONE definition of the word innocent, the fact also is I could call it NOT innocent by using one definition of the same word :shrug:


THANKS FOR PLAYING :)
 
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So the fetus is dangerous and NOT the pregnancy?

And care to explain the physical or moral injury?

Sorry. but that is an excuse.
 
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