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Photo ID to vote?

Photo ID to vote?


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What manner of evidence should the state demand from you to prove that you are a citizen? And at the polls how does an official there determine that you are who you say your are?

At my polling place in Michigan they compare my voters registration signature with my signature that I provide in front of them on the day I walk in to vote. If they DO NOT MATCH, then they ask for identification.
 
Actually Back in 2006 the Republicans passed a similar law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. The court found it un-constitutional to require photo IDs to vote. The cost of obtaining document is just too much money for some and an unnecessary burden.

I Googled it. The law you refer to was overturned by the Missouri state supreme court. I noted this sentence in the article:

Hearne also was involved in Indiana's voter ID law, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 2008 against claims that it infringed on rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.​

That led me to this:

Supreme Court Decides Challenge to State Voter Identification Laws
In April 2008, the Supreme Court decided a case challenging Indiana's strict voter identification law. In Crawford v Marion Election Board, the Court considered an appeal from a Seventh Circuit decision upholding a Indiana law that required voters to present either a driver's license, a passport, or a state-issued photo identification card. In a 2 to 1 panel decision, Judge Richard Posner found the law not to violate the First Amendment or the Equal Protection Clause. Posner wrote, "It is exceedingly difficult to manuever in today's America without a photo id (try flying, or even entering a tall building, such as the courthouse in which we sit, without one). And, as a consequence, a vast majority of adults have such identification." A 2007 study showed that 13% of registered voters in Indiana lacked the required identification and that most of those tend to vote Democratic. (The law disproportionately affects the poor, minorities, and the elderly, who usually vote for Democrats.) The Bush administration took the side of Indiana, arguing in an amicus brief that the state has an interest in "deterring voter fraud."

By a vote of 6 to 3, the Court rejected the challenge. Three justices (Stevens, Roberts, and Kennedy) allowed that an as-applied challenge to the law might have merit if a plaintiff could show that the law placed a special "burden" on his or her ability to vote, such that heightened scrutiny of the law was appropriate. Three concurring justices (Scalia, Thomas, and Alito) believed that the Indiana law should be subjected only to rational basis analysis, and that the state's interest in preventing voter fraud constituted a rational basis.

Three dissenting justices (Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer) concluded, using a balancing test, that Indiana's interest in preventing voter fraud did not justify the significant burden the law placed on specific groups of voters.

The argument pressed by the plaintiffs that any burden on the right to vote, however slight it is or however meager the number of voters affected by it, cannot pass constitutional muster unless it is shown to serve a compelling state interest was rejected in Burdick v. Takushi and rejected again in Crawford. In Takushi the Court said, "Election laws will invariably impose some burden upon individual voters. . . . [T]o subject every voting regulation to strict scrutiny and to require that the regulation be narrowly tailored to advance a compelling state interest, as petitioner suggests, would tie the hands of States seeking to assure that elections are operated equitably and efficiently."​

My interpretation is that voter ID requirements are Constitutional.
 
I'm all for it. Let's establish a national voting ID and make it compulsory. All Americans need to get one otherwise they can't vote. Let's see how many "TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT" Conservatives will start complaining 3 days after it is implemented.
The time, place, and manner of voting in federal elections is a state responsibility.
 
Voting is a constitutional right, boarding a plane is not.
It is a right restricted to citizens. What method would you use to prove that each person who votes is a citizen? How would you prevent people from voting more than one time in an election?
 
My grandpa doesn't have a drivers license or valid photo ID... his passport is expired. He is 80 and physically disabled. Why in God's name do you not him to vote?
Have you no shame? Why don't you help him become legal?
 
My grandpa doesn't have a drivers license or valid photo ID... his passport is expired. He is 80 and physically disabled. Why in God's name do you not him to vote?

An expired passport is valid in Tennessee...check YOUR regs.
 
I don't see revolution because of voter fraud to be an actual possibility so that doesn't concern me. Moreover, the United States already has taken reasonable steps to ensure that only those who are authorized to vote may do so which is which why only 70 people in 5 years from 2002-2007 were convicted of voter fraud for federal elections. Those are near perfect elections.
I don't think it matters that one person sees voter fraud as a small problem. What makes a difference is when many see the vote as illegitimate. The states have the responsibility to ensure that only citizens vote. If a state cannot ensure that only citizens vote perhaps their votes should not be counted in Federal elections.
 
How do you know they wouldn't account for even more Republican voters?
That is a reasonable question. I am probably biased. I have seen no evidence of Republican voter fraud over my long and fruitful life. The Republicans I know are moral, responsible people who want the best for their communities, states and the nation.

The democrats I have been exposed to tend to be less moral and way more irresponsible than the Republicans I know. All of the voter fraud stories I can remember have involved Democrats. My intuition, therefor, tells me this is a tool in the Democratic politician's quiver.
 
Facts? Figures? Studies? Convictions? Historical analysises? Bueller?


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Of course. This one requirement will significantly cut down on potential voter fraud.

Are you familiar with the concept of an axiom? We hold these truths to be self evident...
 
Are you assuming that the only reason for having a government issued ID is to vote? When does anyone have any personal responsibility in your world view?

someone incapable of getting a free government ID probably isn't smart enough to be making informed voting decisions
 
I'm in law school. I ran a court sponsored program working with kids on probation in the district of columbia for 3 years. I know way more about how the criminal justice system works than most folks.
Are there convictions where the case is never brought? If the attorney general does not file is there case?
Does likely voter fraud occur in places where the beneficiaries of the fraud also control the criminal justice system?
 
Lets see your statistics on the so-called "problem", that is worth disenfranchising 5 million voters?
Only citizens can vote. How would you make sure that only citizens do vote...and then only once in each election?
 
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Used to be people were taken on their word. This new law basically calls all of us liars.
Naive? Or just plain goofy?

The Constitution says that citizens may vote. How would you make sure only citizens vote and then only once in each election?
 
I watched it. It was fascinating. From the video blacks are just not capable of getting to a DMV to get a government issued ID. The governor even arranged for rides. Only 22 people accepted out of the 217,000 mentioned. How many of those are dead, moved elsewhere, are in prison, or do not want to be found?

This is Shakespearean, "Much ado about nothing."
 
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Are you familiar with the concept of an axiom? We hold these truths to be self evident...

Yup - an axiom is what you BELIEVE because it is what you want to BELIEVE because you BELEIVE it.

This is Shakespearean, "Much ado about nothing."

The irony meter just broke into a zillion little pieces. Right wingers pushing more government power to infringe upon a right mentioned five different times in the US Constitution can only demonstrate a piddly tiny insignificant 86 vote fraud convictions out of over 196 million votes case and now have the untimitaged gall to use a line like "much ado about nothing"!!!!!

Amazing. Truly amazing.
 
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What are you talking about? The Brennan Center is hands down the most respected experts on the political process. That isn't speculation, they did a massive study on it...
LOL:

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School is a Soros funded public policy and law institute...​

Now that is funny. The anti-American George Soros, darling of the socialist left, is footing the bill and giving us the bull.
 
This is a partisan hack job.

And funded by an anti-American partisan hack, G. Soros. But the center does have a very nice, official sounding name. I suppose "The Center for Destroying Freedom and Liberty in our Lifetime" was already taken.
 
LOL:

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School is a Soros funded public policy and law institute...​

Now that is funny. The anti-American George Soros, darling of the socialist left, is footing the bill and giving us the bull.

I do not care if its the bearded ghost of freakin Karl Marx himself with a bomb in one hand and the red flag in the other...... you have NOT taken issue with anything factual in terms of the numbers related to voting and voter fraud.. Are you ready to do so or is this going to be more of the right wing cause celebre to win elections with a growing minority of supporters who will vote for the GOP?
 
What do you need to counter a solid study from what is probably the most respected non-partisan political procedure analysis organization in the world? I dunno... A lot... So far, you haven't come up with any evidence at all for your side of the issue....
Perhaps you don't know that this is a bought and paid for operation.

Brennan Center for Justice

A quick look will tell you that this is a hyper partisan operation intended to advance democrats and fight republicans. But don't let me get in the way.
 
We have a study by experts vs no documentation from you to back up your claims. All we have from you is the concession that it would be good to prevent people that you don't agree with you from voting.

LOL. This is a bought and paid for hatchet job outfit. Soros provides the money.
 
No kiddo. The people who don't have IDs that meet those requirements aren't felons and illegal aliens, they're college students, people who live in big cities and don't drive or move a lot, elderly people, etc. Heck, my grandmother couldn't vote if they passed one of those laws in her state. She hasn't driven in 20 years.
Are you so heartless that you won't help her?
 
Forget about George Soros, the hated and feared boogey man who apparently induces dampness in the seats of trousers everywhere on the far right. Try the Bush Justice Department and argue with their statistics

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

86 measley voter fraud convictions out of over 196 million who voted during the same time period. And what do we hear in response - George Soros!!!!!

read for heavens sake - please do read

Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.

In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud.
 
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IMO, "illegals" should not exist, this problem should have been rectified a century ago....
I say, make them all "legal"....they are here and here to stay....
This is what I consider to be reality..
Alabama passed a law that makes it very hard on employers who hire illegal aliens. They self deport. Many went to Tennessee. And our unemployment dropped in the counties that used to have the most illegals. As more states pass laws making it very hard on employers to hire illegals the number of illegal aliens will decrease.

Perhaps your reality isn't.
 
Yup - an axiom is what you BELIEVE because it is what you want to BELIEVE because you BELEIVE it.



The irony meter just broke into a zillion little pieces. Right wingers pushing more government power to infringe upon a right mentioned five different times in the US Constitution can only demonstrate a piddly tiny insignificant 86 vote fraud convictions out of over 196 million votes case and now have the untimitaged gall to use a line like "much ado about nothing"!!!!!

Amazing. Truly amazing.

You are aware that when Gore conceded the 2000 election the GOP decided not to push for prosecutions of vote fraud.

Convictions really aren't a good argument

in 1986, the democrats tried to derail the McClure-Volkmer firearm owners protection act by improperly and in violation of congressional rules attached a poison pill amendment known as the Hughes Amendment which effectively banned citizens from purchasing automatic weapons made after the date of the amendment (May 19, 1986). Hughes, an extremist democrat from NJ whined about lawfully owned machine guns even though THERE HAD ONLY BEEN ONE CONVICTION (indeed only one case) of a lawfully owned machine gun being used in a crime over a FIFTY YEAR PERIOD.

so the dems decided it was necessary to ban-for millions of gun owners-sales of such weapons based on ONE conviction
 
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