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Is the OWS against Capitalism?

Is the OWS Movement against Capitalism?


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If they are "useless idiots" then why are you going to great lengths to call them out on some ignorant, promoting fear mongering?
The same people who are "useless" to some may be "usefull" to other to others. It is not rocket science. Did you have a male model while growing up? Just curious.
 
The same people who are "useless" to some may be "usefull" to other to others. It is not rocket science. Did you have a male model while growing up? Just curious.

How are they useful if they are useless?

Did i have a male model? What the hell does that even mean? A role model?
 
Alright so you wont explain.... Bravo!
I am not getting in the middle of the male roll model thing but, do you recognize that some people are manipulated by other people? Some people will lie to get other people to do something for them. Skinheads are a perfect example IMO of useful idiots. Skinheads at least the ones that I have known, do anything in the name of Nazism. Some of the higher ranking skinheads know that they are useful idiots but they believe that they can work their way beyond that reality by being good Nazi's. But the rest of the skinheads are just in it for the parties and the music. They dont really care much about anything else. Sure theyll talk the talk and join in on some skinhead stupidity, but ask them a question about Nazism and they just repeat some racist **** and act cool.

Does any of that sound familiar? How many protesters know exactly who the people are that invented OWS? OWS was not romantically started by the people, it was started by the suggestion of a group of people. There is nothing natural about how OWS was started or maintained to this very day, it has all been kept going by a very small amount of people. And those people are what the rest of the occupy movement call the radicals. Those same minority that the useful idiots claim are a small voice in the movement. Indeed.
 
To oppose corporate personhood is just childish. Doesn't corporations have rights and responsibilities. That is corporate personhood, it does not mean they are the same as people's rights.

Neither party has reduced corporate money for politicans. Not even the fformer messiah Obama. Just because the GOP has been corrupted doesn't mean conservatives like the corruption.

Thus the importance of the OWS mass protests.


This has nothing to do with too big too fail.

But as I said, there are disagreements on what kind of regulation is needed. I do not know the details of this bill, and can't say if it is good or bad.

Ever think of actually reading it before you decide it has nothing to do with too big to fail???


Incorrect, they are demanding no tax increases at all, which includes the rich.

And do you honestly believe the tax increase on the rich will make any difference what so ever.

Yes, just like the majority of Americans:

19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit




When Reagan deacresed taxes on the rich from 50% to 28%. Did the poor suddenly become poorer. Did the revenue drop? Did the wages of the poor drop?

Reagan's increased spending and tax cuts for the rich doubled the National debt.

Low tax rates on rich people is not Americas problem.

Inadequate revenue is part of the problem and has been for the last 30 years.

Problem is runaway costs, a declining work ethic and cyclic poverty. Costs for health care, higher education and property in many areas have dramatically increased the last 30 years. That is what people are really complaining about. To increase taxes on the rich will solve nothing.

There is no declining work ethic there is declining loyalty to American investment by the so called "job creators".

First off, every company gets tax deductions. And Obama is not in favor of reversing Bush Tax cuts. If he were, I think he would be doing his job.

Apparently you have missed the bills put up by the Democrats to increase taxes for the rich that the GOP keeps blocking on behalf of their clients.

End tax deductions to corporations who outsource. Sounds nice, but have you thought about the unintended consequences? For instance that companies will rather move their whole business abroad. Or choose to invest abroad, because many companies need or may need in the future to outsource some services that are too expensive to do in America.

Why should I pay for a tax break for them to do these things? And how does outsourcing help the middle class in the US???

This is the problem with the left in America. They don't think about their policies. Everything that sounds good, is good.


This from someone who still expecting trickle down economics to eventually work after 30 years of failure.
 
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Thus the importance of the OWS mass protests.
Except that is not their mission. They are buch of leftist thinking they are representing the 99%.

Ever think of actually reading it before you decide it has nothing to do with too big to fail???
I actually did read it, but it is too complicated for me to evaluate if it is good or bad. However, it is a regulation of the financial industry, aimed especially at corruption. It will do nothing about too big too fail. That is always going to be a problem. The solution of the too big to fail dilemma is to do what Sweden did in the 1990s. Nationalize the banks that fail.

That just means you are deluded. At max this tax will bring in 70 billions of revenue (Obama's prediction). The deficit today is at 1300 billion dollars. Experience from Britain, showed that their 50% tax rate gave negative income. Don't forget, if you include state taxes, and the health care tax increase it will be the same rate.

Most Americans are idiots, and believe whatever the media tells them. You know better, increasing taxes on the rich is no solution to the deficit problem. After the taxes are increased on the rich, you will have to increase it again because the tax increase will not bring in enough revenue. If we are going to increase taxes, we should increase taxes so it will give enough revenue to affect the deficit.

Reagan's increased spending and tax cuts for the rich doubled the National debt.
Actually if you see here, revenue in 1986 is increasing not decreasing
Government Taxes and Revenue Chart: United States 1970-2015 - Federal State Local Data
So his tax cut from 50% to 28% didn't have any effect on the revenue.

Why did debt increase, because he spend heaps on the military, but that is another story.

Inadequate revenue is part of the problem and has been for the last 30 years.
Except revenue has been stable, while it is spending that has increased. If you want evidence, spending has increased from 18% to 22% of GDP, nondefense federal spending has gone from 8% to 17%. However, federal revenue is the same. What seems to be the problem is that spending is increasing, but no one wants to increase taxes.

You can be in favour of higher taxes and more spending, but you won't be able to pay for it by just taxing the rich.



There is no declining work ethic there is declining loyalty to American investment by the so called "job creators".
Bull****. Most indicator show that there is large decline in work ethics in the younger generation both in Europe and the US.

For instance, if the work ethic is not declining why is obesity on the rise, why is the graduation rate dropping http://www.teapartyactivists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/High_School_Graduation_Rates.jpg
why is Americans not studying the sciences?

Apparently you have missed the bills put up by the Democrats to increase taxes for the rich that the GOP keeps blocking on behalf of their clients.
Please read what I said. I said that Obama do not want to reverse Bush Tax cut, not that he didn't want to tax the rich. You may have not heard this from huffingtonpost or MSNBC, but Bush Tax cut was a tax cut to everyone. Most of the tax cut went to the 99%, which Obama has no plans to reverse. The only way to solve the deficit by increasing taxes is to reverse the Bush Tax cut, not just the ones for the rich.


Why should I pay for a tax break for them to do these things? And how does outsourcing help the middle class in the US???
Use your brain. You are thinking in this pattern. Do I like outsourcing. No. What is the solution, punish the ones who outsource.

But you need to think about the unintended consequences. Just because something sounds good, doesn not mean it actually will work. For instance if you start punishing companies who outsource, they may just leave the US and set up a base in another country. That is much worse. It could also cause insecurity for what the US would do next, and the ones who stay may invest less.

This from someone who still expecting trickle down economics to eventually work after 30 years of failure.
For me trickle down economic makes no sense, and I have never supported it. I do not believe that by making rich people richer, somehow the poor will be richer. I however do not think class warfare will solve any problem. If you want evidence, then just take a look at Venezuela or any of the basket case economies who have tried to fight the market forces.

I think putting up a proper regulative environment that is fiscally responsible, that tries to work with the market forces instead of against them, and gives incentives for people to invest in the economy will help the economy the most.
 
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If they are "useless idiots" then why are you going to great lengths to call them out on some ignorant, promoting fear mongering?

Great lengths? Promoting fear mongering?

I have to wonder what basis you have for using these terms.

Great lengths...

I would suppose that, to a person who doesn't like to consider the term "useful idiot", ANY mention of them would be more than they want...so they would consider more than one mention of the term to be "great lengths".

Promoting fear mongering...

I don't have any desire to promote fear, but I am all for being aware of reality...thus my dismissal of the OWS protesters in respect to whether they are anti-capitalists or not and my assertion that those who are behind the useful idiots as most definitely being anti-capitalists. Rest assured that I don't fear either entity and I don't think anyone else should, either.


I suspect that your use of these terms is an exercise in hyperbole, but I don't know for sure. Could you clarify?
 
Except that is not their mission. They are buch of leftist thinking they are representing the 99%.


I actually did read it, but it is too complicated for me to evaluate if it is good or bad. However, it is a regulation of the financial industry, aimed especially at corruption. It will do nothing about too big too fail. That is always going to be a problem. The solution of the too big to fail dilemma is to do what Sweden did in the 1990s. Nationalize the banks that fail.


That just means you are deluded. At max this tax will bring in 70 billions of revenue (Obama's prediction). The deficit today is at 1300 billion dollars. Experience from Britain, showed that their 50% tax rate gave negative income. Don't forget, if you include state taxes, and the health care tax increase it will be the same rate.

Most Americans are idiots, and believe whatever the media tells them. You know better, increasing taxes on the rich is no solution to the deficit problem. After the taxes are increased on the rich, you will have to increase it again because the tax increase will not bring in enough revenue. If we are going to increase taxes, we should increase taxes so it will give enough revenue to affect the deficit.


Actually if you see here, revenue in 1986 is increasing not decreasing
Government Taxes and Revenue Chart: United States 1970-2015 - Federal State Local Data
So his tax cut from 50% to 28% didn't have any effect on the revenue.

Why did debt increase, because he spend heaps on the military, but that is another story.


Except revenue has been stable, while it is spending that has increased. If you want evidence, spending has increased from 18% to 22% of GDP, nondefense federal spending has gone from 8% to 17%. However, federal revenue is the same. What seems to be the problem is that spending is increasing, but no one wants to increase taxes.

You can be in favour of higher taxes and more spending, but you won't be able to pay for it by just taxing the rich.




Bull****. Most indicator show that there is large decline in work ethics in the younger generation both in Europe and the US.

For instance, if the work ethic is not declining why is obesity on the rise, why is the graduation rate dropping http://www.teapartyactivists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/High_School_Graduation_Rates.jpg
why is Americans not studying the sciences?


Please read what I said. I said that Obama do not want to reverse Bush Tax cut, not that he didn't want to tax the rich. You may have not heard this from huffingtonpost or MSNBC, but Bush Tax cut was a tax cut to everyone. Most of the tax cut went to the 99%, which Obama has no plans to reverse. The only way to solve the deficit by increasing taxes is to reverse the Bush Tax cut, not just the ones for the rich.



Use your brain. You are thinking in this pattern. Do I like outsourcing. No. What is the solution, punish the ones who outsource.

But you need to think about the unintended consequences. Just because something sounds good, doesn not mean it actually will work. For instance if you start punishing companies who outsource, they may just leave the US and set up a base in another country. That is much worse. It could also cause insecurity for what the US would do next, and the ones who stay may invest less.


For me trickle down economic makes no sense, and I have never supported it. I do not believe that by making rich people richer, somehow the poor will be richer. I however do not think class warfare will solve any problem. If you want evidence, then just take a look at Venezuela or any of the basket case economies who have tried to fight the market forces.

I think putting up a proper regulative environment that is fiscally responsible, that tries to work with the market forces instead of against them, and gives incentives for people to invest in the economy will help the economy the most.

I refer you again to their official Mission Statement.
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

HR 1489 again establishes the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks:

"The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits."

"In 2011 Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) introduced H.R. 1489,[37] the "Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011", to repeal certain provisions of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act and revive the separation between commercial banking and the securities business, in the manner provided in the Banking Act of 1933, the so-called "Glass–Steagall Act".
Glass


"Letting the tax cuts expire for those making more than $250,000 would save $700 billion. That would make a real dent in the $2.4 trillion in total deficit reduction envisioned in the debt limit deal."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/the-truth-about-taxes.html

"Roll Call – GOP Blocks Debate on Outsourcing Bill:

Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked consideration of a Democratic bill that seeks to punish companies that ship jobs overseas.

Senators voted 53-45 to defeat a procedural motion to begin debate on the measure, which would eliminate tax breaks for companies that outsource jobs. Sixty votes were required for the motion to succeed.

Washington Post – Senate GOP blocks bill that would promote less outsourcing:

Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked a Democratic plan to encourage companies to bring jobs back from overseas, as a united GOP caucus voted against a motion to debate the measure on the Senate floor.

The legislation would have raised taxes on corporations that shift operations overseas, costing U.S. jobs. It also would have awarded companies that bring jobs back from abroad by offering a two-year hiatus from payroll taxes for those positions.

CNN – GOP blocks Democrats’ jobs outsourcing bill:

Senate Republicans successfully blocked a bill from coming to the Senate floor Tuesday that Democrats claim would help keep American jobs from going overseas.

Democrats across the country have already been hammering Republicans for sending jobs overseas… "

Again – Are you going to vote to save American jobs from outsourcing and vote Democrat?
 
"Letting the tax cuts expire for those making more than $250,000 would save $700 billion. That would make a real dent in the $2.4 trillion in total deficit reduction envisioned in the debt limit deal."

I agree with your points on Glass-Steagall.

As to your tax quote, you left out the previous statement that clarifies the one you posted 'Letting all of the cuts expire at the end of 2012 would save $3.8 trillion over the next decade.' The $700b in the article was over 10 YEARS. BHO's unpassed budget proposal forecasted the national debt to be approximately $25t in 2021. Considering that is an increase of $10t in 10 years by averaging the $70b in tax cuts to the rich will do very little to the $1t average deficit. Make sense? Also note that if ALL the BTC's were expired it would result in ONLY $3.8t in increased revenue which will again do very little against the $10t forecasted debt increase.

I will leave the compelling reason supporting outsourcing for another but Camlon is spot on about companies just moving operations overseas if 'beat up' too much and there is NO legislation that can/will prevent it. Heck the 'big oil' subsidies, you know the ones that Dems are against, are merely tax deductions that promote domestic activites by companies (like as in 'preventing outsourcing') IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES not just oil...Research section 199 of the tax code (passed by GOP/GB in '05).
 
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Use your brain. You are thinking in this pattern. Do I like outsourcing. No. What is the solution, punish the ones who outsource.

But you need to think about the unintended consequences. Just because something sounds good, doesn not mean it actually will work. For instance if you start punishing companies who outsource, they may just leave the US and set up a base in another country. That is much worse. It could also cause insecurity for what the US would do next, and the ones who stay may invest less.

I will leave the compelling reason supporting outsourcing for another but Camlon is spot on about companies just moving operations overseas if 'beat up' too much and there is NO legislation that can/will prevent it. Heck the 'big oil' subsidies, you know the ones that Dems are against, are merely tax deductions that promote domestic activites by companies (like as in 'preventing outsourcing') IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES not just oil...Research section 199 of the tax code (passed by GOP/GB in '05).

It's hilarious that the two of you are claiming that if we don't keep rewarding outsourcing, corps will outsource MORE :cuckoo:
 
I am not getting in the middle of the male roll model thing but,
Whats a "male roll model thing"?

do you recognize that some people are manipulated by other people?
Yes

Some people will lie to get other people to do something for them.
Yes

Skinheads are a perfect example IMO of useful idiots. Skinheads at least the ones that I have known, do anything in the name of Nazism. Some of the higher ranking skinheads know that they are useful idiots but they believe that they can work their way beyond that reality by being good Nazi's. But the rest of the skinheads are just in it for the parties and the music. They dont really care much about anything else. Sure theyll talk the talk and join in on some skinhead stupidity, but ask them a question about Nazism and they just repeat some racist **** and act cool.
Ok

Does any of that sound familiar?
Yea for any political movement

How many protesters know exactly who the people are that invented OWS?
Who invented it?
Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow :lamo

OWS was not romantically started by the people, it was started by the suggestion of a group of people.
By a hashtag on twitter....

There is nothing natural about how OWS was started or maintained to this very day, it has all been kept going by a very small amount of people. And those people are what the rest of the occupy movement call the radicals. Those same minority that the useful idiots claim are a small voice in the movement. Indeed.
Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.
 
Whats a "male roll model thing"?
Can you not read? :doh


Yea for any political movement
Yes and OWS is no different, which has been my point. OWS is not above being corrupted itself. Especially when being ran by radicals. You cannot deny that the Anarchists that run OWS are radicals. I mean they seriously believe that their little General Assembly experiment is how the country will be ran, not only in the future they believe that they are the new government. Not only is that a radical movement but delusional.

Who invented it?
Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow :lamo


By a hashtag on twitter....


Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.
You are getting confused between what I have actually said and what Mycroft has asserted.

Personally I do not think that Adbusters is really anything more than another useful idiot. So dont be so smug in your lordy laugh fest.
 
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Whats a "male roll model thing"?


Yes


Yes


Ok


Yea for any political movement


Who invented it?
Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow :lamo


By a hashtag on twitter....


Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.

Is this all you could find out about Lasn, White and their connection to OWS? A hashtag?

Dude, this is the Internet Age. The information is out there. Heck, I provided more in-depth info in this thread alone...than a hashtag.
 
Can you not read? :doh
How am i in the middle of a "male roll model"?


Yes and OWS is no different, which has been my point. OWS is not above being corrupted itself. Especially when being ran by radicals.You cannot deny that the Anarchists that run OWS are radicals.
Anarchists are running OWS?
Do you have proof of this? Did you go to the spoke people of the general assemblies all over the country and ask them what ideology the specify with? Do you have any proof of this that Anarchist run OWS?

I mean they seriously believe that their little General Assembly experiment is how the country will be ran, not only in the future they believe that they are the new government. Not only is that a radical movement but delusional.
They do?


You are getting confused between what I have actually said and what Mycroft has asserted.

Personally I do not think that Adbusters is really anything more than another useful idiot. So dont be so smug in your lordy laugh fest.

So who are ummm manipulating them then?
 
Is this all you could find out about Lasn, White and their connection to OWS? A hashtag?

Dude, this is the Internet Age. The information is out there. Heck, I provided more in-depth info in this thread alone...than a hashtag.

Thats all there is! Tell me! I mean you claim "oh thats all you can find"... Come one explain to me...
 
Thats all there is! Tell me! I mean you claim "oh thats all you can find"... Come one explain to me...

Dude, you are either incredibly lazy, incredibly forgetful...or you are pulling my leg.
 
Dude, you are either incredibly lazy, incredibly forgetful...or you are pulling my leg.

The same could be said about you.... You wont even try to explain. This is all you have been saying the past times i have called out for evidence and each time i receive none.
 
I get so bored by people repeatedly crying "you didn't show me any evidence". It's a worst type of debating (really, spam). One could quote dozens of solid sources and the cry would remain the same. They are never going to accept any source contradicting their worldview (deal with it), but they think by spamming it others will see "the truth". This way, they rarely need to state their own position (which is likely ridiculous on its face) and they can spend all their time attacking/spamming. I think they watch too many court-room TV shows and imagine a hapless jury who's paying attention to the 'defense'.

Meh
 
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I get so bored by people repeatedly crying "you didn't show me any evidence". It's a worst type of debating (really, spam). One could quote dozens of solid sources and the cry would remain the same. They are never going to accept ANY source contradicting their worldview, but they think by spamming it others will see "the truth". This way, they rarely need to state their own position (which is likely ridiculous on its face) and they can spend all their time attacking/spamming.

Meh

Uhhhhh :lamo
:doh
If you go back in read i have asked for evidence that proves that this man is a "radical" who has bad ties or whatever and is manipulating the OWS movement. I have received none. Just been called lazy.
 
I agree with your points on Glass-Steagall.

As to your tax quote, you left out the previous statement that clarifies the one you posted 'Letting all of the cuts expire at the end of 2012 would save $3.8 trillion over the next decade.' The $700b in the article was over 10 YEARS. BHO's unpassed budget proposal forecasted the national debt to be approximately $25t in 2021. Considering that is an increase of $10t in 10 years by averaging the $70b in tax cuts to the rich will do very little to the $1t average deficit. Make sense? Also note that if ALL the BTC's were expired it would result in ONLY $3.8t in increased revenue which will again do very little against the $10t forecasted debt increase.

I will leave the compelling reason supporting outsourcing for another but Camlon is spot on about companies just moving operations overseas if 'beat up' too much and there is NO legislation that can/will prevent it. Heck the 'big oil' subsidies, you know the ones that Dems are against, are merely tax deductions that promote domestic activites by companies (like as in 'preventing outsourcing') IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES not just oil...Research section 199 of the tax code (passed by GOP/GB in '05).


Why do you suppose the GOP is blocking HR 1489 to once again establish a firewall between investment banking and commercial banking?

After we have recovered from the Bush Recession, we will have to let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. And we need to look at adding back some of the progressiveness that has been cut from our tax rates to prevent the concentration of wealth at the top that is killing our consumer based economy and the middle class.

Companies already are moving operations overseas, and we give them tax breaks for doing so. Why?
 
The same could be said about you.... You wont even try to explain. This is all you have been saying the past times i have called out for evidence and each time i receive none.

Uhhhhh :lamo
:doh
If you go back in read i have asked for evidence that proves that this man is a "radical" who has bad ties or whatever and is manipulating the OWS movement. I have received none. Just been called lazy.

Dude, evidence has been handed to you on a plate...yet you seem to be unable to take a bite.

In this thread:

FreedomFromAll ask for information...I gave him a starting point.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114163-ows-against-capitalism-14.html#post1060021054


Oh, my...YOU came in on the discussion and I responded with FOUR...count them...4...links.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114163-ows-against-capitalism-17.html#post1060022833


There's more in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear that you have a problem. I'm not sure what it is...whether you are trolling, whether you have a retention issue or if you are a drive-by poster. In any case, spare me your whining about not being provided with information.

Now...you have a choice: Do some research...or don't. But I, also, have a choice: Play your stupid little games...or don't. I chose: don't.
 
One can never research enough. It is interesting that an interview with Kalle Lasn on 10/12/2011 produced an outline of what Catawba and TheDemSocialist are asserting. Read the entire interview notice how Kalle Lasn seems to believe that he is in control.
Occupy Wall Street: An interview with Kalle Lasn, the man behind it all - BlogPost - The Washington Post Q. How do you think such a global revolution would play out?


Protesters listen to a speech at the "Occupy Wall Street" protest in Washington. (Linda Davidson - THE WASHINGTON POST) A. The initial phase of the revolution, what we are seeing right now, is leaderless, and the protesters are not hopping into bed with any party, even the Democratic party. Everyone is trying to second-guess what they’re after. But nonetheless, they’ve launched a national conversation. As the winter approaches, I think there will be different phases and ideas, possibly fragmentation into different agendas. I think crystal-clear demands will emanate.

Q. What kind of demands?

A. I think people want a Robin Hood tax on all trades, they want to bring back the Glass-Steagall Act, to ban high-frequency flash trading, implement banking reform, clean up corruption in Washington, and down the road, a third party may spring up.

Q. Why do you think a third party is possible at this moment in history?

A. We [the left] haven’t really had our act together. The tea party has had all the fun. This is about the political left having some fun. The political left wants a fundamental change in our political system and economy, in the way we drink and eat and buy things and get around. This movement can bear a lot of fruits, and I think a third party is one of them.
Also the story goes that OWS was so successful in New York that is spread to other cities. Well that is a bold face lie. In reality the plan all along was to start protests in multiple cities at the same time. These protests are far from organic. They are well organized and were planned well in advance by anti-globalization activists not just adbusters alone. More on who those people are latter when I get them itemized in proper order.

Here is a article from 9/15/11 showing that it was planned ahead of time that multiple cities would have protests. The propaganda that asserts that OWS was successful and grew organically is a lie. And the useful idiots fell for it, no surprise there.

U.S. Day of Rage planned for Saturday — an Arab Spring in America? - BlogPost - The Washington Post It’s unclear how successful Saturday’s protest might be, but the movement has already gotten some backing. Rapper Lupe Fiasco has donated tents for the day, and written a sort of poem called “Moneyman” to inspire protesters. On Twitter, supporters rallied around the hashtags #usdor, #sept17, and #occupywallstreet. The plan to “occupy” Wall Street has already spread to plans for protests in Los Angeles, Austin, Portland, Ore., and other cities.

BTW TheDemSocialist you should read this link: David Graeber: On Playing By The Rules

It is the information that you requested about the OWS anarchists that control the General Assemblies.

And it should be noted that occupywallstreet.org is owned by Kalle Lasn
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Now isnt that just a bit too much proof just how much Kalle Lasn is manipulating all of you useful idiots?
 
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Let me guess, you want evidence.

Yes because when someone makes a claim, saying that this guy is manipulating the OWS movement and is some sort of evil anti american radical i would like proof. You know evidence. Facts.
Sorry that i just dont go on hearsay or word of mouth.
 
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