UHC vs Privatized Care

Kandahar said:

I want universal health care.

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Boo Radley said:

Government funding for medical research amounts to approximately 36% in the U.S.

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Cancer Research Funding

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Why Is Long-Term Government Funding for Biomedical Research So Critical?

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yep. those who think that innovation comes solely from industry must not know how much time industry spends on pubmed reading publications of research that was funded publicly. i've worked in both private and public research, so i can attest to how critically intertwined they are.

Boo Radley said:

Government funding for medical research amounts to approximately 36% in the U.S.

Funding of science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cancer Research Funding

Cancer Research Funding - National Cancer Institute

Why Is Long-Term Government Funding for Biomedical Research So Critical?

Why Is Long-Term Government Funding for Biomedical Research So Critical? • American Gastroenterological Association (AGA)

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Make no mistake, i am not against government funding for anything. My point is/was that for profit research is an integral part of health care research and development. Hence, it should not be shocking to see that the private sector accounts for the majority of all research in the U.S..

Goldenboy219 said:

Make no mistake, i am not against government funding for anything. My point is/was that for profit research is an integral part of health care research and development. Hence, it should not be shocking to see that the private sector accounts for the majority of all research in the U.S..

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I think the chart in one of them shows not real difference here than in countries with UHC overall. Maybe I'll review it again later.

Damn, man, UHC crushed privatized-only medicine in this poll. :lol:

Well, America already has UHC. Just a really inefficient version.

What America need is to follow the Australian model. Australian model is a model where everyone can get public health care, but private health care is promoted for high income people. If you have over a certain income, then you have to pay an extra tax if you don't get private health insurance.

However, the private health care needs to be deregulated, because regulations are driving up the costs. Remember, America has always had private health care, but not always had high costs.

Camlon said:

Well, America already has UHC. Just a really inefficient version.

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Hmm this is a bit disingenuous. It's not Universal, there are a large amount of people, 16%mwho either have no or poor access to healthcare. Certain areas have UHC.

What America need is to follow the Australian model. Australian model is a model where everyone can get public health care, but private health care is promoted for high income people. If you have over a certain income, then you have to pay an extra tax if you don't get private health insurance.

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I fully agree with this. I beleive that this is the best way forward for America. The governments provides a basic healthcare safety net and then people are free to get heal insurances for services that aren't covered. America has a robust health insurance market and preserving and utilizing this is the best way to create health reform that will work.

However, the private health care needs to be deregulated, because regulations are driving up the costs. Remember, America has always had private health care, but not always had high costs.

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This isn't correct. If you said 'regulations are driving up the costs of health insurance' I would agree with this. Just have a look at the average premiums for some states. However the main drivers on the actual provider side are over- utilization and technological advances. Much harder to reduce the costs of these factors. Drs salary, duplicity and inefficiencies inherent in Thr system are also minor contributors.

Stewart said:

Hmm this is a bit disingenuous. It's not Universal, there are a large amount of people, 16%mwho either have no or poor access to healthcare. Certain areas have UHC.

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Well, let's go through these numbers. There are 45 million uninsured.
1. 17.1 milliion have incomes higher than 50000 USD. So we will remove them, because they can pay for health care.
2. 9.7 million are non citizens. In most countries with UHC noncitizens do not receive health care.

So the correct number without health care is 18 million or 6% of the population. However, everyone can go to a hospital to get treatment. Some of these people live at home, so the parents will pay if anything happens. And there are various state programs to cover parts of their expenses.

And at last, Obama is creating UHC in a few years anyway. That is why I say US already have UHC, just a really inefficient version.

This isn't correct. If you said 'regulations are driving up the costs of health insurance' I would agree with this. Just have a look at the average premiums for some states. However the main drivers on the actual provider side are over- utilization and technological advances. Much harder to reduce the costs of these factors. Drs salary, duplicity and inefficiencies inherent in Thr system are also minor contributors.

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Actually it is. What is the cause of this over utilization?

To make a similarity. Imagine if you could join a store for a monthly fee. In this store everything is free. You wouldn't care about what thing cost, or how much you bought. Since everyone would do the same, the monthly fee would rise. Now imagine, that is the only place you can buy food because of government regulations. That is how health care works in America.

If US deregulated the health care industry, then people would realize they would get a lot more value for their money with a catastrophic health insurance with a private savings account. Then people would start caring about prices, and the health industry would reform itself and reduce the costs.