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Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

Should sports be segregated by gender?

  • I feel there's no need to seperate genders, let them play co-ed

    Votes: 4 7.8%
  • Boys should play with boys, and girls with girls

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • It depends on the sport

    Votes: 22 43.1%
  • other

    Votes: 5 9.8%

  • Total voters
    51

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Where are the lines drawn for double standards? If it's ok for females to wrestle and play football with males, why can't males swim with females?


It’s really frustrating to see how athletic directors and school administrators aren’t doing anything,” she said. “They really aren’t advocating for us. I understand there isn’t an opportunity for these boys, but it infuriates me that they can’t combine two schools’ boys to create one team or have them compete in separate heats. The way it is now, the boys are taking recognition away from girls who have worked hard and deserve it.”

With every stroke they take, the boys are displacing more than water. They could knock girls off the awards podium and make it harder for girls to qualify for All-Star honors and the postseason. Perhaps predictably, they also are altering the dynamic on the pool deck, with swimmers lining up to cheer not just for their teams but for their gender

Cooler heads are not found in the bleachers. At the Bay State conference meet earlier this month, Hooper’s father, Eric, lost his composure after watching her get beaten by boys. While waiting for her after the race, he said to her male competitors, “Good job for beating the girls.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/s...ind-success-then-draw-ire.html?pagewanted=all
 
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Yeah - I'm siding with her. . . when you're in a sport that measures your personal abilities against other people's abilities - this just gives the boys a cutting edge that girls will never be able to beat purely based on their natural physical strength.

It's not like football, wrestling or soccer where the nature of gender is less of a factor.
 
god forbid we actually admit that men, generally speaking, are physically stronger and faster than women. everybody's got to be "equal"
 
This has been all over the news around here (MA) for about a week now. It's utterly INSANE. I'm not a big fan of girls competing on boy's teams, but I understand that our society now demands that girls be allowed to do so. Personally, I think those girls deserve whatever abuse they get in doing so, but that's a separate issue. On the other hand, the idea that a GUY would even WANT to compete on a woman's team is utterly disgusting to me. Here in the Northeast there are YMCA swimming teams, and plenty of other opportunities (including the idea of merging schools to get enough boys for a team) for these boys to compete if they so desire. They do not need to debase themselves and disrupt the whole system like this.
 
god forbid we actually admit that men, generally speaking, are physically stronger and faster than women. everybody's got to be "equal"

The strongest woman may be stronger than the weakest man though. So let the compete and see. You're not afraid being beaten by a girl, are you?
 
Personally, I think those girls deserve whatever abuse they get in doing so, but that's a separate issue.

You better not ever show up to any kind of athletic event involving my kids.
 
It's not like football, wrestling or soccer where the nature of gender is less of a factor.

In wrestling and soccer I'd agree; but Football is the one place where I have had the opportunity to see a female high school athlete compete with the boys, and it was not pleasant for her. My Junior year in high school we scrimmaged against another local school that had a young lady playing Offensive Tackle. She had long hair, was wearing makeup, and let's just say that her uniform/pads did little to hide her "upper body assets". The boys playing defensive line in the first half of that game took great delight in abusing her (even I'll admit it was a bit over the top). They were grabbing her hair as they went past her on rushes. They were making sure that their hands found certain "assets" when engaged on blocks by her. At halftime she QUIT because of the abuse.
 
I just await the cries from the hypocrites.

when it's a girl wanting to compete on a boys team,, they are all squealing about equal rights and how it's not fair to keep a girl off the team. but when it's a guy wanting to compete on a girls team..equal rights seem to go right out the window and we hear the squeals of how it's not fair because the boys are bigger and stronger than the girls.

If you are going to champion the cause of equality and scream that girls be allowed on boy's teams, then you need to STFU when the tables get turned and some guy wants to play on the girl's team
 
The strongest woman may be stronger than the weakest man though. So let the compete and see. You're not afraid being beaten by a girl, are you?

WTF are you even talking about? and why does every post you make have to include some lame assed attempt at an insult?
 
In wrestling and soccer I'd agree; but Football is the one place where I have had the opportunity to see a female high school athlete compete with the boys, and it was not pleasant for her. My Junior year in high school we scrimmaged against another local school that had a young lady playing Offensive Tackle. She had long hair, was wearing makeup, and let's just say that her uniform/pads did little to hide her "upper body assets". The boys playing defensive line in the first half of that game took great delight in abusing her (even I'll admit it was a bit over the top). They were grabbing her hair as they went past her on rushes. They were making sure that their hands found certain "assets" when engaged on blocks by her. At halftime she QUIT because of the abuse.

same here. when I was in HS, one of our local rivals had a girl that played on their football team. she was a "big" girl about 5'8" 170 pounds she did not start and the only time she got on the field was on punts and after they were so far behind that the coach played everyone.
 
You better not ever show up to any kind of athletic event involving my kids.
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch; or at least go and play with your own people. If these girls want to come over and play baseball (rather than softball), boys soccer, football, lacross, etc.... (all of which are CONTACT sports) they need to be prepared to be dealt with like any other guy would be. They also need to be prepared to deal with the hazing and the abuse that the other guys would take if they get special "privileges" or make it obvious that they're different from the other guys.
 
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch; or at least go and play with your own people. If these girls want to come over and play baseball (rather than softball), boys soccer, football, lacross, etc.... (all of which are CONTACT sports) they need to be prepared to be dealt with like any other guy would be. They also need to be prepared to deal with the hazing and the abuse that the other guys would take if they get special "privileges" or make it obvious that they're different from the other guys.

Did I ask for your comment? No. I said don't come to any even where my kids are playing. It's a strong suggestion to you.
 
Did I ask for your comment? No. I said don't come to any even where my kids are playing. It's a strong suggestion to you.

ooooh. now in addition to being insulting you add making threats to your arsenal.

gotta love da interwebz tough guy
 
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance
 
I just await the cries from the hypocrites.

when it's a girl wanting to compete on a boys team,, they are all squealing about equal rights and how it's not fair to keep a girl off the team. but when it's a guy wanting to compete on a girls team..equal rights seem to go right out the window and we hear the squeals of how it's not fair because the boys are bigger and stronger than the girls.

If you are going to champion the cause of equality and scream that girls be allowed on boy's teams, then you need to STFU when the tables get turned and some guy wants to play on the girl's team

No - I don't approve of gender-blending for personal sports like that . . . only for team sports. I wouldn't want a girl to hold a record in a boy's category. She should compete against girls. It makes no sense that the boys can do it in the girl category :shrug: Now: training together. . .ok - no big deal there.

Another thing I don't support is the 'gender-standard' where they will try to balance the teams out (swimming teams in the past have been in the spotlight for this, too) - if 50 guys want to be on their swim team but only 30 girls apply to be on theirs: they will disallow those 20 extra guys so the teams will be 'gender balanced" which I find to be bull****.

Look: no one can ever sidestep the fact that - gender wise - we are different. The only reason why these guys are competing with the girls is because they didn't have a guy's team to put them on - so put them on one! What's wrong with that?

If it means that there are 2 guys and 20 girls - who cares . . . if it was the other way around and had 20 guys and 2 girls - who cares, really? When it comes to competition standards and actually recognizing one for their ability they should be competing against like-individuals.
 
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No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance

case closed. just don't expect the boys to hold back because they are competing against girls
 
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance

Which brings the question; Does this apply to school sports?
 
Which brings the question; Does this apply to school sports?

do the schools receive federal financial assistance? if it is a public school it does so it applies. private schools can do pretty much whatever they want
 
ooooh. now in addition to being insulting you add making threats to your arsenal.

gotta love da interwebz tough guy

Did I make a threat? I don't think so.

Are you the biggest interwebz tough guy here? I think so.
 
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance

And they have their 'equally situated' rulings (RE military participation - etc).

It would be discrimination if the guys were told 'you can't compete at all' - it's not discrimination to want them to at least compete against guys.
 
This is one time when adhering to the letter of the law is just stupid. Girls shouldn't have to compete with boys in this case. As someone else said, have boys from a couple of schools combine to make up a team so they can at least participate. We shouldn't be denying girls the chance to compete who would otherwise have been on the girls team.
 
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No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance

As far as I know, this has never been held to require them to compete together though, only that they have the same facilities, etc. Basically it comes down to having to spend as much on girls as boys. (Separate but equal, in other words. Some of you will have heard that term before).
 
Did I make a threat? I don't think so.

yes, you did make a threat. the fact that you don't have the guts to make it openly and therefore implied it doesn't make it any less of a threat.

Are you the biggest interwebz tough guy here? I think so.

apparently I have hurt your widdle feewings at some point or intimidated you in some manner. I apologize
 
Where are the lines drawn for double standards? If it's ok for females to wrestle and play football with males, why can't males swim with females?








http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/s...ind-success-then-draw-ire.html?pagewanted=all

"But...but...but...this is different!", that's why we can't allow this to happen. It's all about political correctness and there's no way that males can been perceived to be dominate over females. Now, if they were smart, they woud have recruited some black boys and that would shut everyone's pie hole, is a New York second--pun intended.
 
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yes, you did make a threat. the fact that you don't have the guts to make it openly and therefore implied it doesn't make it any less of a threat.

If you think so, report it to the mods please.
 
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