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I don't know why a guy would want to swim on a girls' team though.
in this case it is because there is no boys' swim team :shrug:
I don't know why a guy would want to swim on a girls' team though.
in this case it is because there is no boys' swim team :shrug:
Oh, I didn't know that. Well in that case I don't see what the BFD is, kid just wanted to swim.
i think you missed my point. males are inherently better at some things than are females, and females are inherently better at some things than are males. we should stop making such a big deal of it. no, boys and girls do not need to compete against each other, it's really kinda stupid. for example, who wants to watch a woman play a men's golf tournament and get the crap kicked out of her? what's her point?
In the article it points out that the boys have been competing with the girls since 1980 - and no one noticed because they weren't winning records for all this time until now.
Maybe gender isn't the way to go for categories at all anymore, then - maybe they should rely on qualifying times . . . and blend all the categories based on that. The 'slow' racers - the 'medium' racers and the 'faster' racers since - apparently - not all boys are physically stronger and not all girls are physically weaker. . . improve your ability and go into the next category.
This has sort of made me reconsider how we determine who's in and who's out.
a rare instance in which we disagree
title IX was intended to allow female students access to sporting activities which had historically not been girl friendly. it prevented society from formally discriminating against female students because of their gender
look at Mina Johnson:
Girl football player sits out game after foe threatens forfeit in Sports & Training Forum
she is entitled to play football. and apparently she is playing at a high level ... her team was kicking ass
but for title IX she would not be able to play
this matter cuts both ways. if the girls can suit up and play with the boys then the boys should be able to undress and swim with the girls. or should they be discriminated against because of their male gender?
that said, my son and i would have a very long talk if he decided he wanted to play a girl's sport
but i also required my daughter to play in the boys basketball league when she first started out so that she was able to learn how to play competitively
so, yes, i have to acknowledge my personal hypocrisy
this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".
my daughter, who is 25, is in our unit. we have been doing PT together since she was in HS. on our last PT test we did the same number of pushups and situps and we finished the aerobic event together.
my score = 201/300
her score = 273/300
If they had two categories I wonder how many other guys would join. I think the guys by this time (30 years) have proven that they deserve at least that much and are worthy of the time and money for one.
Considered - but it wasn't a natural fact. Just like saying "all blacks are stupid" - when they've proven quite the opposite.
But we're not talking about stereotypes and prejudices. . . we're talking about the recognition of physical attributes - which are different. It's a natural fact and only the more extreme 'femme nazi' types try to argue and prove otherwise.
Every personal-competition sport has gender-categories . . . they just need to catch up with the times.
this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".
so, yes, i have to acknowledge my personal hypocrisy
I'm not a big fan of girls
that's what I don't get, they already have a girls team. which means they are already footing the bill for facilities and coaching. how much more could it possibly cost the school to add a boys team? speedos are not that expensive :shrug:
Huh? You're complaining that a male has to do more? It thought males were athletically superior?
Or are you talking about age? Don't get the two mixed up now.
Huh? You're complaining that a male has to do more? It thought males were athletically superior?
Or are you talking about age? Don't get the two mixed up now.
It's both. don't squeal we are equal and then expect me to do more. If I have to do more to get the same score....we are not equal
And where was the boys team football coach, during the time this crap was going on ???In wrestling and soccer I'd agree; but Football is the one place where I have had the opportunity to see a female high school athlete compete with the boys, and it was not pleasant for her. My Junior year in high school we scrimmaged against another local school that had a young lady playing Offensive Tackle. She had long hair, was wearing makeup, and let's just say that her uniform/pads did little to hide her "upper body assets". The boys playing defensive line in the first half of that game took great delight in abusing her (even I'll admit it was a bit over the top). They were grabbing her hair as they went past her on rushes. They were making sure that their hands found certain "assets" when engaged on blocks by her. At halftime she QUIT because of the abuse.
Should sports be segregated by gender?
I think it should depend on the sport because of the fact men are generally stronger and can take more abuse than women.
Well - technically: the men's standards were set first and women were expected to do less. They should never have set those differential-provisions.
I'm starting to question that - because guys have been on the girls' 'team' in competition since 1980 (per the article) and they're just now winning . . . I use to always assume guys were predominately physically superior (a small % weren't, maybe - just as a small % of women are actually physically superior to men) - but I guess not.
If you know the first thing about anatomy, you would know that this is NOT TRUE.Should sports be segregated by gender?
I think it should depend on the sport because of the fact men are generally stronger and can take more abuse than women.
If you know the first thing about anatomy, you would know that this is NOT TRUE.
you have to consider that, in swimming, the guys generally have wider shoulders and therefore create more drag that must be
over come and they have a higher body mass that they have to pull through the water. and, as we all know...water is much less forgiving than is air.
males generally have thicker bones and more muscle mass. now if we are talking about tolerance for pain...you may have a point.
WTF? Women 'know how to wax before they're on the rag because it's more painful' - **** - the pain fairy didn't tell me that. News to me - science failed to inform, I'm suing.Those findings actually prompt as many questions as they answer. For instance, researchers want to know, what role does a woman's menstrual cycle play in her perception of pain? It must play some part, says Sherry Marts, scientific director for the Society for Women's Health Research in Washington, D.C. For example, she says, women know not to get their legs waxed right before their period because it is much more painful than at other times in their cycle.
No - he's pointing out that woman CAN and SHOULD be held to the SAME military standard - and I agree.
Well - technically: the men's standards were set first and women were expected to do less. They should never have set those differential-provisions.