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Set up a state?

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 35.7%

  • No

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Why bother?

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • It's impossible

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • It's possible

    Votes: 4 14.3%

  • I like things like they are

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • They won't let me

    Votes: 4 14.3%

  • I already have

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Total voters
    28
Centinel said:
Are you talking about one single person, or are you talking about a group.
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Of course I talk about a group of people. A single person is suitable only for the WC premises. :2razz:

Social contract... hm, let's see, I don't remember signing one (sorry, Mr. Rousseau) . If I did anyway in my delirium, I'd like to retreat and renegotiate, make a new one. I don't want some big brother to decide my life without my consent.
 
Canell said:
Of course I talk about a group of people. A single person is suitable only for the WC premises. :2razz:
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WC premises?
Social contract... hm, let's see, I don't remember signing one (sorry, Mr. Rousseau) . If I did anyway in my delirium, I'd like to retreat and renegotiate, make a new one. I don't want some big brother to decide my life without my consent.
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The social contract is often cited as the mechanism by which a group of people enter into a political association. I'm not sure I buy the idea either, honestly, as, like you I never signed no stinking contract. :)

Without the social contract, I wonder what the moral justification for the state is then.
 
Centinel said:
WC premises?
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Generally speaking, the toilet. :2razz:

Centinel said:
Without the social contract, I wonder what the moral justification for the state is then.
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Well, a contract has meaning only between sovereign and free entities, right? A contract with a gun pointed at your head might still be a contract but also has another name - blackmail.
 
Canell said:
Generally speaking, the toilet. :2razz:
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Ahh, gotcha. :)
Well, a contract has meaning only between sovereign and free entities, right? A contract with a gun pointed at your head might still be a contract but also has another name - blackmail.
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Good point. Most people don't regard their neighbors as free and sovereign entities. They regard them as subjects of the majority, or the "general will", or whatever.

However, one might make a good case under social contract theory that a group of people are free to leave their current group and form their own group.
 
Canell said:
Well, it's a forum democracy (not like the 'illusion of democracy' that we have in the political system today). ;)



Like what?
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For a democracy to be successful, a great majority of the people must participate. At this point in time, in our nation, only a too vocal minority are heard.
The problem is, I do not like the tea party....For one ,they do not seem to consider "social well being" for all the people, including the minorities..
 
earthworm said:
For a democracy to be successful, a great majority of the people must participate. At this point in time, in our nation, only a too vocal minority are heard.
The problem is, I do not like the tea party....For one ,they do not seem to consider "social well being" for all the people, including the minorities..
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Well, that's my point - if minorities feel they are being abused, they must have the right to succeed and set up their own state and live the type of life they choose. Freedom is about that, isn't it? ;)
 
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