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Politically Correct?

Am I being politically correct in the example given?

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Kal'Stang said:
Yes it is being PC for the simple fact that you are saying it so that you don't offend other people. Hence why you added the words that are in bold. It may be effortless for you to say it but the fact that you said what you did, even if you say it in an incidental way shows that it is at the very least in the back of your mind.

BTW, I've heard several guys say that an oriental woman is very exotic. So no, the word "oriental" is not strictly about items. "Oriental" has more to do with a culture and as such can apply to either people or items.
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Those several guys...they misused the word. Properly they should say Asian women, and it's not "very exotic", it is "very drop dead gorgeous".
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't know. You haven't explained it yet.
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I'm supposed to explain how I've distorted your argument? Interesting.

theplaydrive said:
But a distortion has a clearly occurred if you think that my "original premise on political correctness in this thread, and in every other thread has been wrong" because I said, "We don't need to do anything." So what is the distortion? Why is my argument "meaningless" because I don't think we need to do anything?
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So now you're saying that political correctness isn't important. ok, nuff said.
 
evanescence said:
I'm supposed to explain how I've distorted your argument? Interesting.
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Yes, explain why you claimed that my "original premise on political correctness in this thread, and in every other thread has been wrong". The only way you could have arrived at that nonsensical conclusion is if you distorted my arguments. But considering that you refuse to explain yourself, it makes it clear that you've either realized your error or that you are a liar. Good luck with that. It's pretty dishonest to make such claims about other people's posts and then not explain you reasoning.

So now you're saying that political correctness isn't important. ok, nuff said.
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What? Read it again because you clearly failed the first time.
 
evanescence said:
Mentally disabled v. retarded. Hearing impaired vs. deaf. African American instead of just black. Obese instead of fat. Asian instead of oriental.. blah! :roll: It's all just silly nonsense.
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No, its not...some of these examples are silly, others are not.
We do need to treat others with more respect, we do need to grow as a people and a nation.
And I use the term Oriential...no disrespect meant.
 
theplaydrive said:
Yes, explain why you claimed that my "original premise on political correctness in this thread, and in every other thread has been wrong". The only way you could have arrived at that nonsensical conclusion is if you distorted my arguments.
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I haven't distorted anything. You have consistently bitched and whined about various terminology I have used in other threads such as the term "illegal." If words are not important as you are now claiming, why does it matter which words I choose?

theplaydrive said:
But considering that you refuse to explain yourself, it makes it clear that you've either realized your error or that you are a liar.
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And yet another personal attack. Such poor debate tactics.

theplaydrive said:
Good luck with that. It's pretty dishonest to make such claims about other people's posts and then not explain you reasoning.
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This is the third time in this thread I have explained my reasoning to you. Please read for comprehension this time.


theplaydrive said:
What? Read it again because you clearly failed the first time.
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/Reading comprehension.
 
evanescence said:
I haven't distorted anything. You have consistently bitched and whined about various terminology I have used in other threads such as the term "illegal." If words are not important as you are now claiming, why does it matter which words I choose?
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So now I've finally found the distortions. There are three of them.

1. I don't "bitch and whine" about terminology. I point out that certain terms have implications and that people who get angry when people react to the use of such terms understand nothing of social interaction. Point #1 for distortion.

2. I haven't "consistently" done anything with you. I remember the conversation between us you're talking about - you used the term "anchor babies". And yes, it was a single conversation and single conversations don't count as consistently. Point #2 for hyperbole.

3. You think I care about what words you choose. I don't. Even in the earlier conversation I told you I didn't care about your word choice. I only commented on it after Guy Incognito brought it up.

My original and consistent point about word choice continues to be relevant: people give meanings to words and if you use words that your audience feels negatively about, then you are choosing to deal with the consequences of the words. Nobody needs to do anything which is why I don't tell people what to say. If you interpret my comments about the relevancy of word choice to social interaction as telling you what to say, then that is your mistake as I've been quite clear with my position.
 
Redress said:
We have had a few discussions on the topic of politically correct topics lately, and it reminded me of a conversation on these boards from quite some time ago. I cannot remember what the discussion was about so the other person will remain nameless and hopefully unidentifiable. Who it is is not important. What I am going to ask is if I was being politically correct in this discussion.

Conversation: something about Asians, some one calls Asians "oriental", another person points out that properly, the correct term is Asian.

Me: I learned some time ago that Asian refers to people, Oriental to objects, so I always use Asian

Other person: You are just being Politically Correct.

Me: I don't think I am, it is effortless on my part to say Asian and I then don't have to worry about offending any one accidentally.

Other Person: Exactly, you are trying not to offend, so you are being PC.

Now, obviously this is somewhat paraphrased and condensed from a longer conversation. What I want to know though, is in the example I gave as I gave it, am I being Politically Correct to use the term Asian instead of Oriental?
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My mother would call that being polite. I wouldn't put political correctness with its negative conotations in the same category as being polite.
 
earthworm said:
No, its not...some of these examples are silly, others are not.
We do need to treat others with more respect, we do need to grow as a people and a nation.
And I use the term Oriential...no disrespect meant.
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Unfortunately, people are so bloody thin-skinned that things not intended as disrespectful are often taken that way, even when there's no rational reason whatsoever to take them that way. Instead of treating people with false respect, people need to grow the hell up and get over themselves and deal with reality. Political correctness just turns us into a nation of whining ******s.
 
Tucker Case said:
Wanting to be called African-American isn't really stupid or silly, though. I see people up in arms over that one all the time.

It's certainly not like that moron who got pissed off because another guy said something about black holes. That's silly and stupid. In fact, I'd use the non-PC term of "retard" to describe that moron in a heartbeat.

But that tard getting all up in arms over the term "black hole" is certainly not worth getting mad over. It's certainly laughable, though. Hell, you usually have to pay for that kind of funny ****, and that assclown was handing it out for free.
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And you've hit on something I haven't seen anyone really acknowledge here. Just as with everything else, there are degrees of being PC. I don't think African-American or Native-American are silly or stupid either, but when some people were up in arms over Rick Perry using the term "black cloud" to describe the economy or when Newt called Obama the "food stamp president", that's when it gets ridiculous and gives the whole notion of being PC a bad rap.
 
Redress said:
We have had a few discussions on the topic of politically correct topics lately, and it reminded me of a conversation on these boards from quite some time ago. I cannot remember what the discussion was about so the other person will remain nameless and hopefully unidentifiable. Who it is is not important. What I am going to ask is if I was being politically correct in this discussion.

Conversation: something about Asians, some one calls Asians "oriental", another person points out that properly, the correct term is Asian.

Me: I learned some time ago that Asian refers to people, Oriental to objects, so I always use Asian

Other person: You are just being Politically Correct.

Me: I don't think I am, it is effortless on my part to say Asian and I then don't have to worry about offending any one accidentally.

Other Person: Exactly, you are trying not to offend, so you are being PC.

Now, obviously this is somewhat paraphrased and condensed from a longer conversation. What I want to know though, is in the example I gave as I gave it, am I being Politically Correct to use the term Asian instead of Oriental?
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No, you are probably not - but the person who originally 'corrected' the user of 'Oriental' certainly is. If, on the other hand, you went further by chastising the user, then you would be pc too. We are free to use whatever terminology we choose within reason, political correctness be damned!
 
I don't know why people act like "politically correct" is bad, it's not. I don't think it is a bad thing to be politically correct just because I am not. I do however do not like it when it just goes over the top like the whole "black hole" or "uppity-ism" thing. Just PC nonsense at that point.
 
Redress said:
Really bitch?

Oops.....

Note for those who do not understand: the use of the word bitch in this case was representative to make a point, I was not calling nor do I think Evanescence is a bitch. I would have used a different word that would have been more effective except the word filter would have killed the effect.
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Once again though, as with your example of using the word "nigger" earlier, bitch is, by it's very nature, an insult. I'd think pretty much everyone would agree that using either one of those terms is done with a bad intent, the same as any other name you could call someone.

Being PC is more than just refraining from using obviously insulting terms. It's often replacing some other innocuous term with something that's not necessarily more accurate or profound but, rather, just something that's more socially and politically acceptable at this time. For example, replacing "global warming" with "climate change".
 
A brilliant and concise encapsulation of political correctness:

Spinoza said: ‘Every man is by indefeasible natural right the master of his own thoughts.’ The great fallacy of monolithic docrines like political correctness is that they seek to eliminate an important step in human cognition: the dialogue with the self, the act of dialectical mastication that allows us to absorb and process experience, to direct and enable our own moral lives. Only in the inviolable sanctuary of the soul, in the sacred act of self-communion, can man realize his own transcendence and salvation. Politically correct speech and thought provide us with the predigested morality of self-appointed ideologues, the profane consensus of mediocre minds, in lieu of our own common sense and the collective wisdom of the ages.

Wm. B. Fankboner � 2001, 2004, 2008
 
theplaydrive said:
So now I've finally found the distortions. There are three of them.

1. I don't "bitch and whine" about terminology. I point out that certain terms have implications and that people who get angry when people react to the use of such terms understand nothing of social interaction. Point #1 for distortion.
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No, you definitely bitch and whine. I'm not going to comb through the immigration forum to prove it, though. :shrug:

theplaydrive said:
2. I haven't "consistently" done anything with you. I remember the conversation between us you're talking about - you used the term "anchor babies". And yes, it was a single conversation and single conversations don't count as consistently. Point #2 for hyperbole.
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Nope, not hyperbole. You were genuinely offended by at least two specific words I used in those threads. Now, you're just backtracking.

theplaydrive said:
3. You think I care about what words you choose. I don't. Even in the earlier conversation I told you I didn't care about your word choice. I only commented on it after Guy Incognito brought it up.
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You definitely care.

theplaydrive said:
My original and consistent point about word choice continues to be relevant: people give meanings to words and if you use words that your audience feels negatively about, then you are choosing to deal with the consequences of the words. Nobody needs to do anything which is why I don't tell people what to say. If you interpret my comments about the relevancy of word choice to social interaction as telling you what to say, then that is your mistake as I've been quite clear with my position.
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Sure, fine. I don't care if people get offended so long as their ridiculous expectations do not become enforceable.
 
evanescence said:
No, you definitely bitch and whine. I'm not going to comb through the immigration forum to prove it, though. :shrug:

Nope, not hyperbole. You were genuinely offended by at least two specific words I used in those threads. Now, you're just backtracking.

You definitely care.

Sure, fine. I don't care if people get offended so long as their ridiculous expectations do not become enforceable.
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You just spent this entire post lying about me. Is that how you support your arguments? Distorting people's posts and then lying about the actual poster. And then you'll whine about "personal attacks". Guess what? Lying about someone and trying to frame them in a negative light by distorting their actual arguments rather than listening to their clarifications is a personal attack, so you get points for distortion, hyperbole, false memory, lying and hypocrisy. Congratulations.

I also want to point out how funny it is that you have such a selective memory about the past. You remember the immigration thread from a while ago, but you don't remember when you and me were BOTH being attacked by Kali for using the non-PC word "retard" and how we BOTH used the same argument that people should be able to say what they want and not have to abide by other people's PC wishes. But I guess you only remember (and then distort) conversations that allow you to attack other people without reason.
 
evanescence said:
Personally, I think it is. Why the hyphenation? Can we all not be just American?
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When a group was excluded from being "just American" for the vast majority of the existence of the country, it's kind of hard (and not to mention exceptionally stupid) to expect them to fall into step with the mainstream culture they were excluded from for so many decades/centuries.

Don't people realize that dividing ourselves into groups such as race only furthers our problems as a species?
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If you believe that, why did you say "Can we all not be just American?" instead of "Can we all not be just human?" It makes no sense to deride division into groups while promoting division into groups.

The term "retard" offends me.
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Even if you're not joking, I wouldn't care. :shrug:
 
radcen said:
But is it accurate? Is it equal? Is it truly descriptive?
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Who gives a ****?

We live in a country that calls themselves "American" despite the fact that there are a ****load of people in other countries on two continents that can accurately make that claim. What do we care about accuracy, equality and description?

The fact is, we don't. It only comes up when we don't like someone else's innacuracies that don't make a lick of difference in the real world.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Who gives a ****?

We live in a country that calls themselves "American" despite the fact that there are a ****load of people in other countries on two continents that can accurately make that claim. What do we care about accuracy, equality and description?

The fact is, we don't. It only comes up when we don't like someone else's innacuracies that don't make a lick of difference in the real world.
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There's no law that says you can't be an asshole. But there is no reason you have to be one either. And no law that says anyone has to like or dislike an asshole. So, quit whinning if your an asshole and someone calls you one for soig something assholish.
 
theplaydrive said:
You just spent this entire post lying about me. Is that how you support your arguments? Distorting people's posts and then lying about the actual poster. And then you'll whine about "personal attacks". Guess what? Lying about someone and trying to frame them in a negative light by distorting their actual arguments rather than listening to their clarifications is a personal attack, so you get points for distortion, hyperbole, false memory, lying and hypocrisy. Congratulations.
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You are doing nothing more here but attempting to bring doubt upon your actual position on political correctness.

theplaydrive said:
I also want to point out how funny it is that you have such a selective memory about the past. You remember the immigration thread from a while ago, but you don't remember when you and me were BOTH being attacked by Kali for using the non-PC word "retard" and how we BOTH used the same argument that people should be able to say what they want and not have to abide by other people's PC wishes. But I guess you only remember (and then distort) conversations that allow you to attack other people without reason.
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This part of your post only shows your inconsistency. You have a problems with terms such as "illegal" or "anchor baby," but you freely use words like retard.

You have proven nothing here. Moving on...

Tucker Case said:
When a group was excluded from being "just American" for the vast majority of the existence of the country, it's kind of hard (and not to mention exceptionally stupid) to expect them to fall into step with the mainstream culture they were excluded from for so many decades/centuries.



If you believe that, why did you say "Can we all not be just American?" instead of "Can we all not be just human?" It makes no sense to deride division into groups while promoting division into groups.
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"American" is only referring to a country/location, not heritage or race. Heritage and race are actual human attributes.


Tucker Case said:
Even if you're not joking, I wouldn't care. :shrug:
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I'm devastated. No- really. :neutral:
 
evanescence said:
This part of your post only shows your inconsistency. You have a problems with terms such as "illegal" or "anchor baby," but you freely use words like retard.
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You still have no idea what my argument about political correctness is and since you seem determined to not understand the English language, I'll let you win, distort my posts and lie about me since it's clear that's what you need to do in your life right now.
 
Your position on political correctness is convoluted. On one hand, you say that words aren't important, but then you say they are. :shrug: Furthermore, some words are deemed offensive while other words are perfectly acceptable. The subjectivity of this issue is one of the main reasons I don't even bother trying to be politically correct. It's ridiculous.
 
evanescence said:
"American" is only referring to a country/location, not heritage or race. Heritage and race are actual human attributes.
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Are you under the misguided impressions that 1 grouping people according to the region they
Live in is not still grouping people in a divisionary fashion and 2. That there is no American culture and heritage?

If so on either count, you believe a false premise. If not for both counts, I refer back to my previous post.
I'm devastated. No- really. :neutral:
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I don't see why you would be. I made it very clear earlier how I approach political correctness. If I use a word that someone deems offensive, I do so in the absence of giving a **** about their offense. This is nothing personal, it's simply who I am.
 
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