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Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    Votes: 11 14.5%

  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    Votes: 20 26.3%

  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    Votes: 17 22.4%

  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    Votes: 28 36.8%
  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
Catawba said:
The protesters envision a world with the the fairness and justice in the banking world and progressive taxation as we had in the 1950's in this country that made the middle class the strongest in our history.

If you want to call the 1950's in the US, Marxist, it seem fairly obvious that you view the world from an extreme perspective.
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Let's see, the protesters claim to represent the 99%. You claim to represent the protesters, ergo you represent the 99%...mmmm. What little I've seen of OWS, they appear to be rallying against corporations, banks, capitalism, wars, student loans, racism, oil pipelines, homophobia, oil drilling, Fox news, the 1%, unemployment, TARP, economic inequality, social inequality, foreclosures, sexism, university fees, austerity measures, globalization, Wall Street of course, Jews, police brutality, political contributions, drug laws, the patriot act, nuclear energy, NAFTA, Guantanamo, Israel, the Fed, border control,ok, I'm exhausted. Well, I've made myself dizzy but I'm sure I've only brushed the surface.
 
Catawba said:
The protesters envision a world with the the fairness and justice in the banking world and progressive taxation as we had in the 1950's in this country that made the middle class the strongest in our history.

If you want to call the 1950's in the US, Marxist, it seem fairly obvious that you view the world from an extreme perspective.
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How is taxation going to give them a job?
How is it going to put food on their families table?

Why are you still so focused on taxation of people who make more money than you.... is it some form of penis envy?
 
Meathead said:
Let's see, the protesters claim to represent the 99%. You claim to represent the protesters, ergo you represent the 99%...mmmm. What little I've seen of OWS, they appear to be rallying against corporations, banks, capitalism, wars, student loans, racism, oil pipelines, homophobia, oil drilling, Fox news, the 1%, unemployment, TARP, economic inequality, social inequality, foreclosures, sexism, university fees, austerity measures, globalization, Wall Street of course, Jews, police brutality, political contributions, drug laws, the patriot act, nuclear energy, NAFTA, Guantanamo, Israel, the Fed, border control,ok, I'm exhausted. Well, I've made myself dizzy but I'm sure I've only brushed the surface.
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I for one, only represent myself, and not all that well either...
honesty
Many things are listed here, we are generalizing to an useless extreme.
But, is it possible for use to agree that things are not as good as they should be ??
In our nation, it seems as if 10 % have 90% of the wealth..
Is this a good situation ?
Syria is another nation with wealth disparity.
food for thought
Have we sunk to that level ?
 
Catawba said:
You think the progressive tax rates under Nixon were socialistic, that's conservative.

You think we don't need the regulation we once had that prevented commercial banks from combining with investment banks. That's conservative.

You think having most of the country's wealth concentrated at the top is hunky dory. That's conservative.

You think protesting non-violently against the great wealth disparity in this country is bad thing. That's conservative.
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Translation:
If you are not a communist, you are a conservative
If you don't support OWS, you are a conservative
If you don't think that everybody should be provided free welfare, food stamps, and health care with no conditions such as paying taxes, having jobs, or passing drug tests, you are a conservative
If you don't think that the rich should be taxed at 110%, you are a conservative
 
Catawba said:
The protesters envision a world with the the fairness and justice in the banking world and progressive taxation as we had in the 1950's in this country that made the middle class the strongest in our history.

If you want to call the 1950's in the US, Marxist, it seem fairly obvious that you view the world from an extreme perspective.
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Medicare, WIC and foodstamps didn't exist in the 1950's. So you think those programs should go.
 
Caine said:
How is taxation going to give them a job?
How is it going to put food on their families table?

Why are you still so focused on taxation of people who make more money than you.... is it some form of penis envy?
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So you don't understand that for a consumer economy to work, consumers need money to consume?
 
Proud South Korean said:
Translation:
If you are not a communist, you are a conservative
If you don't support OWS, you are a conservative
If you don't think that everybody should be provided free welfare, food stamps, and health care with no conditions such as paying taxes, having jobs, or passing drug tests, you are a conservative
If you don't think that the rich should be taxed at 110%, you are a conservative
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The 1950's in the US was communist ???? I submit those that think the 1950's in the US was communist, are ultra far right.
 
American said:
Medicare, WIC and foodstamps didn't exist in the 1950's. So you think those programs should go.
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I was referring to the goals of the Occupy movement regarding progressive taxation and re-regulating the banks.

Medicare was conceived of by Harry Truman in 1945.

"1945 Harry Truman sends a message to Congress asking for
legislation establishing a national health insurance plan."
Brief History of Medicare
 
Catawba said:
So you don't understand that for a consumer economy to work, consumers need money to consume?
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Is the government the only consumer?
 
Caine said:
Is the government the only consumer?
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I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
 
Catawba said:
I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
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So this is penis envy then.

Unless you can show me the RATE (percentage) of taxation is higher for those who make more than for those who are considered "middle class" you have no argument on this new goalpost move.

Besides.... instead of arguing your point by saying, "We need to tax the 1% more! Why don't you be honest and say, WE NEED TO LOWER TAXES On the Middle class! Oh... wait.... wouldn't want to do that, then you'd have to admit the Tea Party is right in many respects.

Saying the 1% needs to pay more taxes doesn't fix the problem... its only half the problem. All that tax money is just going to the government. Unless of course, you are suggesting we Robin Hood them.
 
Catawba said:
I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
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You could also point out that the middle class pays taxes so the those in poverty do not need to pay all of their taxes.
 
Caine said:
So this is penis envy then.

Unless you can show me the RATE (percentage) of taxation is higher for those who make more than for those who are considered "middle class" you have no argument on this new goalpost move.
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"The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."


Besides.... instead of arguing your point by saying, "We need to tax the 1% more! Why don't you be honest and say, WE NEED TO LOWER TAXES On the Middle class! Oh... wait.... wouldn't want to do that, then you'd have to admit the Tea Party is right in many respects.
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I supported the payroll tax cut for the middle class by the Democrats, and I support the Democrats bill to increase and extend the middle class payroll tax cut.


Saying the 1% needs to pay more taxes doesn't fix the problem... its only half the problem. All that tax money is just going to the government. Unless of course, you are suggesting we Robin Hood them.
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No, I am suggesting we return tax rates for the rich closer to what they were under the Republican Presidents, Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You could also point out that the middle class pays taxes so the those in poverty do not need to pay all of their taxes.
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What is your plan to tax the poor???
 
Catawba said:
No, I am suggesting we return tax rates for the rich closer to what they were under the Republican Presidents, Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford.
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You have STILL failed to show how taxation is going to fix the problem that OWS complains about with unemployment and banks......

Giving the government more money isn't going to fix the problem.

Why are you "dancing around" the issue?
 
Caine said:
You have STILL failed to show how taxation is going to fix the problem that OWS complains about with unemployment and banks......
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A return to a more progressive tax rate is one of the economic injustices that need to be addressed. Requiring the middle class to pay higher taxes to support the debt caused on behalf of the tax cuts to the rich over the last 30 years is rubbing the middle class the wrong way.

The majority of Americans support the American Jobs Act to stimulate the economy and increase jobs. To address banks too big to fail, see HR 1489.

Giving the government more money isn't going to fix the problem.
Why are you "dancing around" the issue?
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The Issue: The problem was created by 30 years of spending too much, AND, collecting too little in revenues due to 30 years of tax cuts to the rich. The "fix" will be the opposite, despite how bitter that medicine will be to the rich.
 
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Catawba said:
A return to a more progressive tax rate is one of the economic injustices that need to be addressed. Requiring the middle class to pay higher taxes to support the debt caused on behalf of the tax cuts to the rich over the last 30 years is rubbing the middle class the wrong way.



The Issue: The problem was created by 30 years of spending too much, AND, collecting too little in revenues due to 30 years of tax cuts to the rich. The "fix" will be the opposite, despite how bitter that medicine will be to the rich.
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And that is going to effect unemployment and banking HOW?

:roll: You KEEP dodging the issue.
 
Caine said:
And that is going to effect unemployment and banking HOW?

:roll: You KEEP dodging the issue.
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I edited my post above to address unemployment and banking:


The majority of Americans support the American Jobs Act to stimulate the economy and increase jobs. To address banks too big to fail, see HR 1489.
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You KEEP dodging the issue.
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And I addressed the real issue above:

The Issue: The problem was created by 30 years of spending too much, AND, collecting too little in revenues due to 30 years of tax cuts to the rich. The "fix" will be the opposite, despite how bitter that medicine will be to the rich.
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Catawba said:
What is your plan to tax the poor???
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I did not say tax the poor. What I did imply though is that the middle class are a lot like the upper class And the lower class are a lot like the middle class.

But it does sound like you are suggesting that the middle class is paying to much in taxes. I am sure there are some Conservative's that would agree with you.
 
Catawba said:
So you don't understand that for a consumer economy to work, consumers need money to consume?
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based on his questions and comments in response to this statement, we can only conclude he does not comprehend that simple concept
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I did not say tax the poor. What I did imply though is that the middle class are a lot like the upper class And the lower class are a lot like the middle class.

But it does sound like you are suggesting that the middle class is paying to much in taxes. I am sure there are some Conservative's that would agree with you.
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Then why do they vote for the party that increased middle class tax rate to provide lower tax rates for the rich?
 
justabubba said:
based on his questions and comments in response to this statement, we can only conclude he does not comprehend that simple concept
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Sadly, it would seem so.
 
Catawba said:
I edited my post above to address unemployment and banking:






And I addressed the real issue above:
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And I ask again...... Taxing wealthy people is going to put people to work how?
 
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