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Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    Votes: 11 14.5%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    Votes: 20 26.3%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    Votes: 17 22.4%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    Votes: 28 36.8%

  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
I'm sorry to inform you but talking about sticking it to the man and the way things are have been talked about in our local bars, homes and churches, ever since this country was founded. People were just decent about it before the public urinators uglified our cities. The tea party already organized a broad section of the American public decently and orderly, well before the urinators set up their tents, but will concede the urinatiors had had some sympathy for awhile, but that is changing due to their behavior...

Please show me the documentation of anytime in the last half century, we had the concentration of wealth, income and power by the top income class as front page news with a majority of the country calling for tax increases for the wealthy?
 
If this is true, why is it that our politicians are avoiding them like the plague?

There have been a number of politicians that have supported the OWS goals, none from the GOP of course, which explains why the OWS enjoys greater support than Congress.
 
"the movement has already changed the public debate in America.

Consider, for example, last week’s Congressional Budget Office report on widening disparities of income in America. It was hardly news – it’s already well known that the top 1 percent now gets 20 percent of the nation’s income, up from 9 percent in the late 1970s.

But it’s the first time such news made the front page of the nation’s major newspapers.

Why? Because for the first time in more than half a century, a broad cross-section of the American public is talking about the concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the top.

Score a big one for the Occupiers."


Robert Reich on the OWS Effect | Blog | Rebuild the Dream
And if the liberals who would be the beneficiaries of the OWS turning tide were to get their super majority, what would they do with it?

Would they put an end to off-shoring?

Would they assess tax penalties to American companies with foreign divisions?

Would they greatly reduce foreign work visas?

Would they put an end to in-sourcing workers contracted through foreign manpower agencies?

Would they put an end to illegal immigration and make it impossible for the 20 million illegals to remain?

Would they give tax incentives to American start-up companies that replace out-sourced divisions.

Would they enact tariffs to level the global playing field.

Would they demand American companies to follow the ethic of "if you make it abroad, you sell it abroad"?

No .. they wouldn't.

The liberals wouldn't do any of these things needed to bring jobs recovery to America.

Instead, they'd just pass all their pet social agendas.

And though the right would do no better if they won it all, it doesn't really matter which brand of wingnuts are running the casino ..

.. The American people would still lose their shirt.
 

I'm afraid I'm on a tablet and can't post links very easily, but if you search google for OWS polls, you will find that they are dropping, more people oppose them than favor them, and (in some reports) the tea party is more highly favored.

I'm not really against them, but as I said in another thread, I don't support them anymore because of specific points.
 
And if the liberals who would be the beneficiaries of the OWS turning tide were to get their super majority, what would they do with it?

Would they put an end to off-shoring?

Would they assess tax penalties to American companies with foreign divisions?

Would they greatly reduce foreign work visas?

Would they put an end to in-sourcing workers contracted through foreign manpower agencies?

Would they put an end to illegal immigration and make it impossible for the 20 million illegals to remain?

Would they give tax incentives to American start-up companies that replace out-sourced divisions.

Would they enact tariffs to level the global playing field.

Would they demand American companies to follow the ethic of "if you make it abroad, you sell it abroad"?

No .. they wouldn't.

The liberals wouldn't do any of these things needed to bring jobs recovery to America.

Instead, they'd just pass all their pet social agendas.

And though the right would do no better if they won it all, it doesn't really matter which brand of wingnuts are running the casino ..

.. The American people would still lose their shirt.



It all depends on the will of the people and how much pressure we apply next November. The biggest thing stopping progress is the GOP:


The Democrats have already put up a bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing US jobs and the GOP voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up a bill to reestablish the firewall between investment banking and commercial banking and the GOP voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up jobs bill and the GOP has voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up a bill to cut spending and increase revenues and the GOP voted it down.
 
I'm afraid I'm on a tablet and can't post links very easily, but if you search google for OWS polls, you will find that they are dropping, more people oppose them than favor them, and (in some reports) the tea party is more highly favored.

I'm not really against them, but as I said in another thread, I don't support them anymore because of specific points.

I've already posted two recent polls that show the OWS enjoys more support than either the Tea Party or Congress. What points? I'm willing to bet they are not even official positions of the OWS.
 
I've already posted two recent polls that show the OWS enjoys more support than either the Tea Party or Congress. What points? I'm willing to bet they are not even official positions of the OWS.

Support for Occupy Wall Street drops in poll | Strange Bedfellows — Politics News - seattlepi.com
Daily Kos: Support for Occupy Wall Street drops in new poll

And the points were the ones I mentioned regarding the demands you discussed in the other thread. All the OWS thread hopping has me dizzy and I don't really want to cut/paste the same answer everywhere.
 
Support for Occupy Wall Street drops in poll | Strange Bedfellows — Politics News - seattlepi.com
Daily Kos: Support for Occupy Wall Street drops in*new*poll

And the points were the ones I mentioned regarding the demands you discussed in the other thread. All the OWS thread hopping has me dizzy and I don't really want to cut/paste the same answer everywhere.

Both your links represent the same poll and it shows the support the same as the two polls I posted, that support for OWS has dropped two percentage points from last month, but we still have 2 out the 3 polls that show less support for the tea party and congress.

The points you discussed before are no longer in the list of proposed demands by OWS.
 
Both your links represent the same poll and it shows the support the same as the two polls I posted, that support for OWS has dropped two percentage points from last month, but we still have 2 out the 3 polls that show less support for the tea party and congress.

The points you discussed before are no longer in the list of proposed demands by OWS.

We'll have to watch how public opinion falls on them. Honestly, polls don't do much for me. It's nice to have a general feel for how the country perceives issues, but since I'm hardly a republican or democrat, I rarely find myself in the general consensus.

Please refer to the other thread for responses there. I didn't mean to drag it here. I kind of wish we had a single main thread for OWS, but it would be pretty hard to keep up.

Regardless of anything else, I will give the occupiers one point. They have brought attention to their points and shifted public debate. I just don't know yet that the outcome will match any of their hopes.
 
We'll have to watch how public opinion falls on them. Honestly, polls don't do much for me. It's nice to have a general feel for how the country perceives issues, but since I'm hardly a republican or democrat, I rarely find myself in the general consensus.

Please refer to the other thread for responses there. I didn't mean to drag it here. I kind of wish we had a single main thread for OWS, but it would be pretty hard to keep up.

I agree with that!

Regardless of anything else, I will give the occupiers one point. They have brought attention to their points and shifted public debate. I just don't know yet that the outcome will match any of their hopes.

That was their main purpose!
 
The occu-tards represent 99% of the hoople-heads in the country.
 
Please show me the documentation of anytime in the last half century, we had the concentration of wealth, income and power by the top income class as front page news with a majority of the country calling for tax increases for the wealthy?
How are tax increases on the wealthy going to help the unemployed who would rather go camp out than keep working to find a job?
 
How are tax increases on the wealthy going to help the unemployed who would rather go camp out than keep working to find a job?

Ultra-Like.
I just don't see how raising taxes will help anyone, hurt yes, help no. Yeah, we have a debt but this is like the government handing bail outs to businesses. It pretty much tells the rich your going to have to pay every time our government messes up. Even though our government is more important. But it should learn to make do with what its got. And I really don't see how taxing the rich more will help these dirty hippies... so yeah lets raise taxes so they could enjoy not working more... makes sense to me. There are jobs that can be found.... it may not be in the field you desire and in a big abundance but its called life. Storms never last now do they.
 
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I just can't believe that those dirty Hippies would live in pup tents and expect us to listen to them.

If the Tea Party could find a big enough parking lot with amenities, they could all stay overnight in their monster RVs, peeing into their chemical toilets. Now that's a group that we should hear out and act upon their wishes. Who in their right mind would ever listen to the Lumpen Proletariat?
 

Get back to me in three years and let me know what the OWS approval ratings are. You seem to forget that during its first year on the scene the Tea Party also had support of over a third of Americans: Link 1, Link 2, & Link 3. They were sitting at 41% approval rating in late December 2009, with more than four out of every 10 American's supporting them.

After 3 years of trying to keep a movement going, negative media attention, and message burnout their approval ratings have fallen.

OWS approval rating is good right now. Its also in its infancy in terms of exposure. Doesn't take away from their good numbers at the moment, but I'm not going to read any huge message into it since it was literally 2 years ago that an entirely different movement had the same if not better approval numbers. I will say Republicans should be glad this is happening a year out from the election rather than leading up to it, as it would provide a nice surge for Democrats. This far out though, and because OWS seems to be taking a "sprint" approach as to the Tea Parties "Marathon" approach, it's impact could be much different 6 to 8 months down the line.
 
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I know there are many individual OWS movements around the country, but in general, do you believe that the OWS movement represents the grievances, complaints, & desires of the 99% of the USA?

No. I'd imagine at best they largely represent about 33%, moderately to extremely mildly at best represent another 33%, and barely (if that) represent a third 33%.

It'd be hard to honestly find ANYTHING opinion based in this country that 99% of people agree with.
 
they mainly represent all that is wrong with america

Actually, they are protesting against what is truly wrong with America. Power and deception and corruption at the top 1%. I think the 1% feels fear. Perhaps even you.
 
It all depends on the will of the people and how much pressure we apply next November. The biggest thing stopping progress is the GOP:


The Democrats have already put up a bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing US jobs and the GOP voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up a bill to reestablish the firewall between investment banking and commercial banking and the GOP voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up jobs bill and the GOP has voted it down.

The Democrats have already put up a bill to cut spending and increase revenues and the GOP voted it down.
All meaningless posturing.

Anyone can pander grandiosely when they know they're safe from ever having to worry about their grandiosity .. becoming law.

Not that these measures were substantive ..

.. As there are no "tax breaks for outsourcing US jobs", there are only tax breaks on foreign subsidiaries, and, considering the products made there may also be sold there and were never once staffed by Americans at home, that does not truly directly address outsourcing.

And that banking firewall, pretty small potatoes, all foundational off-shoring things considered.

The jobs bill was loaded with trade agreement off-shoring, which Obama in his last state of the union address made clear he favors, so such a bill, that would further implicate the government as employer, is really a detriment.

And the so-called spending cuts ... don't get me started.

None of these addressed the measures I previously listed that are necessary to reign in the rogue elephants of capitalism to keep them from trampling the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of the American small business owner and worker.

We need truly courageous big-game hunter action now, not mere wingnut popguns fired at charging rhinos.

The liberal Dems don't have what it takes .. and the rogue elephant-loving conservative Repubs obviously don't either.

We need to find a non-wingnut political philosophy that does.

And soon.
 
I'll admit, I do support OWS a bit...but I also hate their arrogant claim to represent the 99%, especially when they seem to resent folks who have been successful in this world.

Folks who own a nice house, two cars, and can send their kids to college..and not the enemy. Yet many OWSers seem to consider all such people as part of the 1%...and evil.

Maybe OWS's should instead claim to represent the 50%.
 
I'll admit, I do support OWS a bit...but I also hate their arrogant claim to represent the 99%, especially when they seem to resent folks who have been successful in this world.

Folks who own a nice house, two cars, and can send their kids to college..and not the enemy. Yet many OWSers seem to consider all such people as part of the 1%...and evil.

Maybe OWS's should instead claim to represent the 50%.

They could just claim to represent the perpetually unemployed....

The employed look down upon them.
 
Please show me the documentation of anytime in the last half century, we had the concentration of wealth, income and power by the top income class as front page news with a majority of the country calling for tax increases for the wealthy?

Well of course. If you have a bunch of pant****ters blocking people from going to work, sleeping in our streets, of course it's going to be front page news, but if anything it just shows how retarded this movement is. Imagine if the Tea Party occupied the entrances to our department of health and human services with signs stating: No more handouts, no more handouts, the whole world is watching. Anyone can be an occu-turd???
 
How are tax increases on the wealthy going to help the unemployed who would rather go camp out than keep working to find a job?

Returning to some of the progressiveness that has been cut over the last 30 years, makes it easier on the middle class that are being forced into poverty at an alarming rate. Eliminating the tax breaks for companies for outsourcing jobs will have an immediate impact on jobs lost to overseas investment by greedy businesses.
 
Get back to me in three years and let me know what the OWS approval ratings are. You seem to forget that during its first year on the scene the Tea Party also had support of over a third of Americans: Link 1, Link 2, & Link 3. They were sitting at 41% approval rating in late December 2009, with more than four out of every 10 American's supporting them.

After 3 years of trying to keep a movement going, negative media attention, and message burnout their approval ratings have fallen.

OWS approval rating is good right now. Its also in its infancy in terms of exposure. Doesn't take away from their good numbers at the moment, but I'm not going to read any huge message into it since it was literally 2 years ago that an entirely different movement had the same if not better approval numbers. I will say Republicans should be glad this is happening a year out from the election rather than leading up to it, as it would provide a nice surge for Democrats. This far out though, and because OWS seems to be taking a "sprint" approach as to the Tea Parties "Marathon" approach, it's impact could be much different 6 to 8 months down the line.

The OWS protesters have already increased public awareness in just 2 months. I fully expect the civilian protests in the US, and around the world, to continue until real change is made to address economic injustice.
 
All meaningless posturing.

Anyone can pander grandiosely when they know they're safe from ever having to worry about their grandiosity .. becoming law.

Not that these measures were substantive ..

.. As there are no "tax breaks for outsourcing US jobs", there are only tax breaks on foreign subsidiaries, and, considering the products made there may also be sold there and were never once staffed by Americans at home, that does not truly directly address outsourcing.

And that banking firewall, pretty small potatoes, all foundational off-shoring things considered.

The jobs bill was loaded with trade agreement off-shoring, which Obama in his last state of the union address made clear he favors, so such a bill, that would further implicate the government as employer, is really a detriment.

And the so-called spending cuts ... don't get me started.

None of these addressed the measures I previously listed that are necessary to reign in the rogue elephants of capitalism to keep them from trampling the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of the American small business owner and worker.

We need truly courageous big-game hunter action now, not mere wingnut popguns fired at charging rhinos.

The liberal Dems don't have what it takes .. and the rogue elephant-loving conservative Repubs obviously don't either.

We need to find a non-wingnut political philosophy that does.

And soon.

These are real bills that Democrats put up to address our real problems and voted for with a majority of their party. That is what Congressmen do that represent the majority of the country.

What bills have the Republicans put up to solve any of the nation's problems???
 
Returning to some of the progressiveness that has been cut over the last 30 years, makes it easier on the middle class that are being forced into poverty at an alarming rate. Eliminating the tax breaks for companies for outsourcing jobs will have an immediate impact on jobs lost to overseas investment by greedy businesses.

And what can a person do with "progressiveness" exactly?

How can "progressiveness" benefit them?

Please note, I stated those unemployed who would rather camp than go out and find jobs and get employed.

Unemployed people pay nothing in income taxes........ so the tax rate of themselves and others does not affect them....
 
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