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Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    Votes: 11 14.5%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    Votes: 20 26.3%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    Votes: 17 22.4%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    Votes: 28 36.8%

  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
your anger is misplaced
no one, especially not the Occupy folks, are saying that you should not be expected to pay your mortgage
what is being said is that government should quit letting the mortgage lender take shortcuts to commence foreclosure
when the lender can evidence default, and the documents required to prove the lender is entitled to sell the underlying collateral at foreclosure sale, then the lender can and should proceed
what should not happen is to allow some lender to sell your property thru foreclosure where that lender is unable to establish before the court, consistent with the Note and mortgage documents, that it possesses the Note and assignment of interest documents proving that bank is entitled to recover against the collateral
prudent lending requires mortgagees to have such documentation present in the event legal action must be taken against the mortgagor
but allowing robo documents to be used before the court, fraudulently "proving" the lender is the legitimate party to proceed with foreclosure sale is something which should not be allowed to happen. the lender should not be allowed to fabricate its "evidence"
that is Occupy's objection. seems more than reasonable


you owe 100 bucks for your weed. you paid 30. you smoked all your weed, you still owe 70..... did you smoke your weed or your dealers weed?
 
you owe 100 bucks for your weed. you paid 30. you smoked all your weed, you still owe 70..... did you smoke your weed or your dealers weed?
but another person, other than the one who fronted me the weed, shows up and says 'you owe me now instead of who you got your weed from
so, pay me the $70 that remains due'
and i reasonably say 'show me something from the person i originally owed the debt that you are now the true assignee of the outstanding debt.
do that and i will pay you.' until then, got a joint to smoke while we wait?
 
but another person, other than the one who fronted me the weed, shows up and says 'you owe me now instead of who you got your weed from
so, pay me the $70 that remains due'
and i reasonably say 'show me something from the person i originally owed the debt that you are now the true assignee of the outstanding debt.
do that and i will pay you.' until then, got a joint to smoke while we wait?


So your argument is the debt is non-transferable.
 
So your argument is the debt is non-transferable.
no
my argument is that the transfer of payee requires documentation of such assignment of interest ... which documentation is not found fraudulent
 
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Just had this outdoor grill island built. Looks great doesn't it?

Interesting contrast with the growing poverty in this country over the last decade:


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I made thanksgiving outside. used all three.

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Easy to see who can afford to pay higher tax rates! :)
 
Well, if we want to go by the group of demands Catawba keeps putting out there as a great representation of what the Occupy movement is about...how about reinvestigating the 9/11 attacks? ;)

Do you truly not know that what JB posted was their mission statement (not proposed demands), or are you being purposely dishonest to get in a dig at me? I expected better of you.
 
I agree.

However, its been used as a reference routinely through this thread by some posters so I'm utilizing their reference.

If you are referring to me you are lying as I have included "proposed" each time.
 
I said "Whether you intend to or not you are implying that I am an racist". The Civil Rights movement was all about racism, by comparing my views to the opposition of the Civil Rights movement that implicates me as an racist.

Are you daft? As has already been patiently explained to you, I was comparing the OWS protests with the other two historic mass non-violent protest, the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war.
 
Bank lends you 2.1 mil for a home (or 90k in your case), you don't pay the bill, should you be able to default on your mortgage and keep your home?


That's stealing.

Moderator's Warning:
In bold. Cut out the baiting, Reverend.
 
Interesting contrast with the growing poverty in this country over the last decade:


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sucks for them! let them work as hard and as smart as I did then we'll talk.





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Easy to see who can afford to pay higher tax rates! :)



I already do! That's why I got my cows "Tax" and "deduction" saves me about 5k on property taxes.

Can I still be part of the 99%?


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Rev - you and I do not agree about politics - but that is one beautiful grill island you have there.
 
Interesting contrast with the growing poverty in this country over the last decade:











Easy to see who can afford to pay higher tax rates! :)

actually, that is a silly argument. making those who you think can afford more taxes pay them only encourages the rest of the country to continue to support irresponsible government spending.
 
actually, that is a silly argument. making those who you think can afford more taxes pay them only encourages the rest of the country to continue to support irresponsible government spending.

Most people I see here who advocate more taxes on the wealthy also make a case for decreased government spending in several areas. That is my position.
 
sucks for them! let them work as hard and as smart as I did then we'll talk.


Is this a biblical quote???


I already do! That's why I got my cows "Tax" and "deduction" saves me about 5k on property taxes.

Can I still be part of the 99%?


:pimpdaddy:

Yes, you are still part of the 99%, because you don't receive the majority of your income through investments.
 
I would only vote yes if I thought that 99% of Americans think they are owed a living. Fortunately, this is not the case. If it were to be so then we would truly be toast as a country and perhaps as a species.
 
Is this a biblical quote???


well it is quite divine and prophetic if I do sat so myself.



Yes, you are still part of the 99%, because you don't receive the majority of your income through investments.


you know this for sure? i didnt't realize that in order to be 1% you had to live on investments. Anyway, so #ows speaks for me?


Lol. No thanks. I am fine. :pimpdaddy:
 
well it is quite divine and prophetic if I do sat so myself.

Yes, very well "sat".

you know this for sure? i didnt't realize that in order to be 1% you had to live on investments.

"And the evidence tends to point to the conclusion that the really rich pay less in taxes as a percentage of income then their merely well-to-do counterparts -- if their income comes primarily from investments. Overall, we rate Buffett's statement True.
PolitiFact | Warren Buffett says the super-rich pay lower tax rates than others


Anyway, so #ows speaks for me?

They speak on behalf of those who pay a higher tax rate so the 1% can get a tax break. At least the ones that are no longer willing to do that.
 
Most people I see here who advocate more taxes on the wealthy also make a case for decreased government spending in several areas. That is my position.

then why do you vote for people like Obama who clearly indicate that they want more government and more spending.

my BS detector is redlining and merely cutting the military really doesn't cut it in my book

why should the wealthy pay more when they are the ONLY GROUP that pays a higher percentage of the income tax burden than their share of the income?
 
your anger is misplaced
no one, especially not the Occupy folks, are saying that you should not be expected to pay your mortgage
what is being said is that government should quit letting the mortgage lender take shortcuts to commence foreclosure
when the lender can evidence default, and the documents required to prove the lender is entitled to sell the underlying collateral at foreclosure sale, then the lender can and should proceed
what should not happen is to allow some lender to sell your property thru foreclosure where that lender is unable to establish before the court, consistent with the Note and mortgage documents, that it possesses the Note and assignment of interest documents proving that bank is entitled to recover against the collateral
prudent lending requires mortgagees to have such documentation present in the event legal action must be taken against the mortgagor
but allowing robo documents to be used before the court, fraudulently "proving" the lender is the legitimate party to proceed with foreclosure sale is something which should not be allowed to happen. the lender should not be allowed to fabricate its "evidence"
that is Occupy's objection. seems more than reasonable

okay so just so I'm perfectly clear, Just so I (and others) are perfectly clear on this. You are saying that people that don't pay their mortgages should lose their homes. As they have not carried out their part of the contract correct?


The only thing that should be delayed is the resale of the home in question, until the actual holder of the loan is determined? If that is what you are saying, then I can agree with your statement.


If you are saying however that the person defaulting on the loan, should be allowed to stay in his house until it's been determined who holds the note, while not paying his mortgage, then we still disagree. He is at best no better then the bank, he has not upheld his contractual agreement, to a greater degree then the bank, because if he had, then “who” held his note on the property would really be a mute point wouldn't it?



So fine .. the person who defaulted on his mortgage payments gets booted out of his/her home, and before that property can be sold, it must be determined who holds the note on the property, and can sell it … I can agree with that. But I fail to see where that is going to help anyone in foreclosure, Altho it may in the future stop one bank from suing another to either get the money or the property that was rightfully theirs. So you are saying that OWS ers are basically looking out for the banks interest??
 
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They speak on behalf of those who pay a higher tax rate so the 1% can get a tax break. At least the ones that are no longer willing to do that.
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No they speak for themselves, they don't speak for me or many of my friends that are not in that 1%..... Believe it or not Catawba, not everyone agrees with you or the OWS protesters. so welll they may speak for liberals such as yourself ... don't you dare imply that they speak for the 99% that is just a talking point that liberals and yourself want to believe ..... and it's an outright lie.
 
then why do you vote for people like Obama who clearly indicate that they want more government and more spending.

my BS detector is redlining and merely cutting the military really doesn't cut it in my book

why should the wealthy pay more when they are the ONLY GROUP that pays a higher percentage of the income tax burden than their share of the income?

My BS detector is redlining.
 
The Barbarian - No they speak for themselves, they don't speak for me or many of my friends that are not in that 1%..... Believe it or not Catawba, not everyone agrees with you or the OWS protesters. so welll they may speak for liberals such as yourself ... don't you dare imply that they speak for the 99% that is just a talking point that liberals and yourself want to believe ..... and it's an outright lie.

When they refer to the 99%, they refer to the class of income earners that pay more in taxes so the 1% can continue to receive tax breaks. They never claimed all were unhappy about that arrangement.
 
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When they refer to the 99%, they refer to the class of income earners that pay more in taxes so the 1% can continue to receive tax breaks. They never claimed all were unhappy about that arrangement.

You keep ignoring what OWS actually says.
Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

This #ows movement empowers real people to create real change from the bottom up. We want to see a general assembly in every backyard, on every street corner because we don't need Wall Street and we don't need politicians to build a better society.

the only solution is WorldRevolution
Click here for NYCGA committee meeting times. Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for World Revolution

What is very telling about OWS is their insistence that OWS is copying Egypt's Tahrir Square. Hence the common OWS slogan "Are you ready for a Tahrir moment?" That could only mean one thing that OWS expects the US Government to fold under the pressure of OWS. OWS does not want to just get people talking about economics and social structure. They want us to believe that the US Government is so corrupt that it is a lost cause.

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ANd they do boldly offer a solution of sorts: "the only solution is WorldRevolution" That is a very closed minded opinion.

Speaking of Revolution here is a site created by and OWS: Guide for Demonstrators | How to camp for a global revolution

Police Officers usually warn demonstrators to stop if they believe that
the demonstrators are engaging in illegal activities, demonstrators will sometimes participate in activities that may subject them to arrest
without being arrested. There is some risk of arrest nonetheless. Other demonstrators engage in peaceful but unlawful activities to be ar-
rested as a form of protest called “civil disobedience.” A short list of activities engaged in at demonstrations is provided below.
Protected Activites[....]  Wearing a mask or concealing your face
Illegal Activities
 Blocking street traffic
 Blocking pedestrian right of way
 Harassing or accosting poassers -by
 Inciting a crowd to imminent violence or illegal activity
 Entering or remaining on other property after being informed that you are
not welcome
 Violence against any person
 Destruction of property
 However, wearing a mask or concealing your identity, while engaging in
unlawful activity, can act as a penalty enhancer.
Other activities seen at demonstrations that may be illegal include: Resisting arrest or obstructing an officer (see reverse), fastening signs
(other than to bulletin boards generally open for posting information), littering, or using excessive noise.

What an odd list for an non-violent movement. Perhaps Anarchists may be just one element of OWS, but they are leading OWS.

And again I must point out that Hitler was representing the people/99% of Germany as well.
 
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