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Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

Do You Support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?


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What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.

I'd be willing to support an organized movement with goals that they, at least, understand. I'll be willing to vote for candidates supporting those goals. I am NOT willing to support a hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells... which seem to be the majority of the protesters... who have drown out the original message in an orgy of tromping on the rights of others, harming the very businesses and jobs they claim to support, and basically turning cities into cesspools of confused humanity.

If OWS wants my respect, it needs to organize itself, respect other people and the laws, hit media with an articulate, understandable message delivered by someone who can utter a sentence not containing the "f" word, and let the nation know what they stand for. Then they need to recruit political candidates that support their message, and get them on the ballot.

I have protested wrongs in the past, but I never conducted myself in any manner the way these groups have. I have picketed peaceably, although illegally, and realized I might be subject to detainment and arrest. I never rioted in the streets, tried to block traffic, blockaded private business, or vandalized public and private property. Until the chaos ends, the only thing I'm left to think about OWS is that it generates anarchy, and therefore must support anarchy. When they prove me wrong, I'll listen. Until then, they're just another bunch of thugs.
 
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I'd be willing to support an organized movement with goals that they, at least, understand. I'll be willing to vote for candidates supporting those goals. I am NOT willing to support a hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells... which seem to be the majority of the protesters... who have drown out the original message in an orgy of tromping on the rights of others, harming the very businesses and jobs they claim to support, and basically turning cities into cesspools of confused humanity.

Many of the "hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells" used to be the middle class before they became the victim of trickle down economics. Why should victims not be allowed a voice in their defense?

If OWS wants my respect, it needs to organize itself, respect other people and the laws, hit media with an articulate, understandable message delivered by someone who can utter a sentence not containing the "f" word, and let the nation know what they stand for. Then they need to recruit political candidates that support their message, and get them on the ballot.

I have protested wrongs in the past, but I never conducted myself in any manner the way these groups have. I have picketed peaceably, although illegally, and realized I might be subject to detainment and arrest. I never rioted in the streets, tried to block traffic, blockaded private business, or vandalized public and private property. Until the chaos ends, the only thing I'm left to think about OWS is that it generates anarchy, and therefore must support anarchy. When they prove me wrong, I'll listen. Until then, they're just another bunch of thugs.

The great majority of the tens of thousands of protesters across the country have been utilizing non-violent civil disobedience to raise awareness in America of the concentration of wealth, income and power by the most wealthy. While I abhor any violence by infiltrators, I commend the protesters for being active participants in our Democracy.
 
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Many of the "hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells" used to be the middle class before they became the victim of trickle down economics. Why should victims not be allowed a voice in their defense?



The great majority of the tens of thousands of protesters across the country have been utilizing non-violent civil disobedience to raise awareness in America of the concentration of wealth, income and power by the most wealthy. While I abhor any violence by infiltrators, I commend the protesters for being active participants in our Democracy.

how does this involve "trickle down economics"

that has become the bugaboo of the extreme left these days
 
Protesters pledge 'block party' will shut down Wall Street

I heard about these plans only today and I'm curious who thinks planning to "shut down Wall Street" is a good idea? I don't. I think it'll only make their movement look bad. They're obviously looking to provoke a reaction. That's my opinion, what do you think? Do you support this idea?

I support thier right to protest. I even support the basic idea behind thier protest.

But I think what you are really questioning is if people support thier disruption. My answer to that is yes. The very idea behind protesting is to be disruptive to the natural way of things. Is it provocative? Of course it is. That's the point. So long as they don't purposely hurt anyone I'll support them.
 
how does this involve "trickle down economics"

that has become the bugaboo of the extreme left these days

The failed Trickle down economics of the last 30 years, (cutting taxes for the rich and deregulation) is large part of why we have economic justice problems.

As the protesters and the majority of the country are saying, we need to re-regulate the banks and eliminate the tax cuts for the rich. The same type of self-correction came about after the failure of trickle down economics in the 1920's.
 
The failed Trickle down economics of the last 30 years, (cutting taxes for the rich and deregulation) is large part of why we have economic justice problems.

Exactly so. I've been saying since the mid-80's that deregulation would eventually gut the economy. When deregulation made it "legal" for municipalities, etc., to invest public funds... taxpayer money... in unsecure investments and junk bonds, I was the Finance Director for a SoCal city. The counsel was trying to force me to invest city money in pyramid schemes, basically, that was run by the then County Comptroller. I refused and decided to leave my position. A few years later, the city was nearly bankrupt from the bad investments, and the County Comptroller was on trial for fraud.

As the protesters and the majority of the country are saying, we need to re-regulate the banks and eliminate the tax cuts for the rich. The same type of self-correction came about after the failure of trickle down economics in the 1920's.

If that was indeed what the protesters are saying, I'd support them. But they are not saying it. They are not a cohesive movement with clear goals and an identifiable message. They need to organize themselves, like the Tea Party did, and get candidates on the ballot who are quite clearly saying "re-regulate banks and investment houses, protect the principle of public funds by regulating the securities in which they can be invested." Until someone steps into the media spotlight and tells the world decisively what they want, they're just another bunch of anarchists mucking up public streets.
 
Exactly so. I've been saying since the mid-80's that deregulation would eventually gut the economy. When deregulation made it "legal" for municipalities, etc., to invest public funds... taxpayer money... in unsecure investments and junk bonds, I was the Finance Director for a SoCal city. The counsel was trying to force me to invest city money in pyramid schemes, basically, that was run by the then County Comptroller. I refused and decided to leave my position. A few years later, the city was nearly bankrupt from the bad investments, and the County Comptroller was on trial for fraud.

Quite so, the very top item on the proposed list of demands in formulation by the OWS protesters is passage of Bill 1489 to once again establish the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks.


If that was indeed what the protesters are saying, I'd support them. But they are not saying it. They are not a cohesive movement with clear goals and an identifiable message. They need to organize themselves, like the Tea Party did, and get candidates on the ballot who are quite clearly saying "re-regulate banks and investment houses, protect the principle of public funds by regulating the securities in which they can be invested." Until someone steps into the media spotlight and tells the world decisively what they want, they're just another bunch of anarchists mucking up public streets.


Their main goal is provided on their website ~

"The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future."
About Us | OccupyWallSt.org

"The Sovereign People’s Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people.
Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard

First of all. There are no Official Demands of the Occupy Movement. that being said, multiple factions of the movement have been assembling to discuss and vote on the output and message for the movement. Below is a LIST OF PROPOSED “DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS” proposed by the website (occupywallstreet.org) which does not entirely represent the Occupy Wall Street General Assembly. Below this list is a list of grievance that citizens have provided nationally and have voted on in solidarity of the movement.
LIST OF PROPOSED “DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS

1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 (“RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT” H.R. 1489: Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us) ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act — Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors’ money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here’s detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal.
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2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven’t been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film “Inside Job” that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn’t take long to develop the list.

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3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.
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4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher…back to what they once were in the 50′s and 60′s.

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5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It’s currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm.
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6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.
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7. CONGRESS PASSING “Revolving Door Legislation” LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don’t get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they’re at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control.
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8. ELIMINATE “PERSONHOOD” LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film “The Corporation” has a great section on how corporations won “personhood status”. THE CORPORATION [2/23] Birth - YouTube. Fast-forward to 2:20. It’ll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you “can’t deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law”. Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said “corporations are people.” Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It’s time to set this straight.
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Occupy Wall Street – Official Demands || AK Rockefeller
 
Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.
 
Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.

I don't even agree with most of them, but political maturity needs to happen quick. Whereas I was critical of the Tea Party for being hopelessly naive and politically irrelevant until they came up with specific policies that could possibly get through (however unlikely), I hardly disrespected their method of gaining attention. I didn't think it fantastic to stand around with a sign, but I didn't abhor them. The OWS contained all of the weaknesses of the early Tea Party and added the utter disrespect for authority, community and private property, and the laws of the land.
 
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Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.

Their approval this month is only 2% lower than last month by all the polls I've seen. Their leadership may change over time, but I don't see the protests in the US, and the others around the world, stopping until the goals have been achieved.
 
I don't see how anyone can support OWS. I can understand standing up against corporate greed and corporate involvement in government... But acting like children and throwing a tantrum isn't the way to stand up for those ideals.
Thus jugdeth digsbe.
 
Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.
If the group were in fact mainstream, we'd be written off and ignored. Counter that.
 
Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.

Catawba didn't post all of them from this list. Here are the rest:

List of Further Demands:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field…
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market…
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union

These are from Catawba's link earlier in this thread: PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands' - Washington Times

Also, please notice that none of these are adopted -- but merely suggestions. Including Catawba's post that you agree with.
 
Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.

Tent cities suck, protesting to the point of nuisance to general public will hurt your cause (though I will always support a group's right to do so).

What really boggles my mind is that in all of this, people maybe should have at least taken a look at what was going down. As presented here, we see that massive deregulation really brought us to this place. While there is most certainly tons of regulation other where which is improper, proper regulation has also been stripped; and it was loosing those regulations which fully broke the system.

Can corporations and banks be blamed? In a way, yes. Some most certainly were engaging in predatory loans and such to make more money. Lots of people KNEW that it couldn't be sustained. But the problem is that company A is making money hand over fist, company B cannot sit there and do the "right thing" and thus not make that money too. Not in today's day and age, maybe in a time long ago but not now. If that action breaks the market, and there is no market incentive to stop it, you use government. That's a proper use of government power. And to fix this problem, to try to even attempt a return to free market capitalism, we must reinstall the proper regulation.
 
Catawba didn't post all of them from this list. Here are the rest:



These are from Catawba's link earlier in this thread: PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands' - Washington Times

Also, please notice that none of these are adopted -- but merely suggestions. Including Catawba's post that you agree with.

Clearly those are mostly pure garbage, and I would not support them at all. Those on Catawba's list, however, are spot on, economically speaking, and would go a long way toward repairing the damage 30 years of de-regulation foisted upon us by "the best government corporate and union money can buy."
 
Tent cities suck, protesting to the point of nuisance to general public will hurt your cause (though I will always support a group's right to do so).

What really boggles my mind is that in all of this, people maybe should have at least taken a look at what was going down. As presented here, we see that massive deregulation really brought us to this place. While there is most certainly tons of regulation other where which is improper, proper regulation has also been stripped; and it was loosing those regulations which fully broke the system.

Can corporations and banks be blamed? In a way, yes. Some most certainly were engaging in predatory loans and such to make more money. Lots of people KNEW that it couldn't be sustained. But the problem is that company A is making money hand over fist, company B cannot sit there and do the "right thing" and thus not make that money too. Not in today's day and age, maybe in a time long ago but not now. If that action breaks the market, and there is no market incentive to stop it, you use government. That's a proper use of government power. And to fix this problem, to try to even attempt a return to free market capitalism, we must reinstall the proper regulation.

The elephant in the room doesn't get the attention it deserves. If the securities ratings agencies (S&P, Moody's, Fitch) had done their job, most the rest of the other activities could not have evolved/prospered. By giving those (absurd) "AAA ratings" to sub-prime mortgage "CDOs", they (the rating agencies) enabled and perpetuated the path to the collapse exponentially.

How they have escaped investigation/prosecution for either gross negligence or conspiracy/fraud just boggles my mind....
 
Clearly those are mostly pure garbage, and I would not support them at all. Those on Catawba's list, however, are spot on, economically speaking, and would go a long way toward repairing the damage 30 years of de-regulation foisted upon us by "the best government corporate and union money can buy."

My point is that these are part and parcel of the same list.
 
While I support the basic thrust of the OWS movement, I feel they are currently making bad decisions about using their time, energy and tactics. Making largely symbolic gestures is not the goal and focus is important now.

Shutting down Wall Street is not the goal. Overhauling the financial system and tax system is the goal; getting the big-bucks influence out of government is the goal; making the government of the 99% of people instead of the 1% is the goal; keeping our school systems, medicare-parts A & B, veterans benefits and TriCare from being tossed into the same abyss as medicare-parts C & D is the goal.
 
...Shutting down Wall Street is not the goal. Overhauling the financial system and tax system is the goal; getting the big-bucks influence out of government is the goal; making the government of the 99% of people instead of the 1% is the goal; keeping our school systems, medicare-parts A & B, veterans benefits and TriCare from being tossed into the same abyss as medicare-parts C & D is the goal.

read OWS's main website.

they are not about goals, legislative agendas, etc etc. they are "above" all that.

they are about ending injustice & inequality. in other words, its all for show...at least for now.
 
seeings that I do not live or work in NYC, i don't really care if they shut down a street in NYC.
NYC citizens and authorities might have a different opinion though, as they are directly affected.

as to whether I support OWS or not... it really doesn't matter....technically speaking, i'm part of the group they have deemed is the enemy.
i'm not a protesting kind of guy... having been through the experience of the 60's and having that experience leave a bad taste in my mouth, I don't go there.

at best, I thank the OWS for giving me something to read about in the paper every morning, at worst, I say "f*ck you" for making me out to be the enemy.

I spend all least week in Cali, visiting my kids at Stanford and some family in LA and in the Antelope Valley... everybody I know out there are either students or average working stiffs, but the message was basically the same among all of them... " I wish they get a job and stfu" ..I found myself having to defend the OWS against the opinions of average working liberals and Democrats.... was a fun exercise though... nothing like a lil political tension among family members :lol:
 
The elephant in the room doesn't get the attention it deserves. If the securities ratings agencies (S&P, Moody's, Fitch) had done their job, most the rest of the other activities could not have evolved/prospered. By giving those (absurd) "AAA ratings" to sub-prime mortgage "CDOs", they (the rating agencies) enabled and perpetuated the path to the collapse exponentially.

How they have escaped investigation/prosecution for either gross negligence or conspiracy/fraud just boggles my mind....

I held the opinion for awhile that the ratings agencies were rather negligent... but now I'm of the belief that they were simply outsmarted.

I have a list of sorts... a list of people i'd knock the hell out if I ever encountered them... Quants are moving up into my top 10 with lighting speed.
at this point, they are tied with the good reverend Phelps and his merry band of malcontents.
 
When a movement does not have a majority behind it, failure is immanent. A movement does not "need to grow" it should progressively build without effort in a matter of days not months or years.

Movements that need years to grow are forced movements. And that is what the 'Occupy' crowd is promoting a movement that takes a large amount of time to convince the public to join. One must ask why if they are the 99% (us) that they need to court the public? Logically and obviously the Occupiers are not the 99% otherwise there wouldnt be any debate among the 99% to join the Occupiers. The Occupiers are a tiny fraction of the US population trying to start a new Government without even asking the US voting public for permission. I have not seen any ballots any Democracy being practiced by the Occupiers, all that I have seen are anti globalists trying to take over America by forcing propagandist misinformation and Anarcho Communist ideals on Americans.

They lie when they try to claim this is all about stopping the corruption on Wall Street, about equality. What the Occupy movement is about is an ideology war, them against America. And the blind Liberals miss that fact equally with most Conservatives that continue the mutual blame game of "no its your fault!". Guess what its everybody's fault, and no matter how much we put blame on other people it wont fix the mess that we are in. The longer that we ignore our responsibility's the easier it gets for Anarcho Communist's and Fascists to take our country away.

Do I support the closing down of Wall Street? The question is irrelevant since the Occupiers are not asking anyone if we want too.
 
read OWS's main website.

they are not about goals, legislative agendas, etc etc. they are "above" all that.

they are about ending injustice & inequality. in other words, its all for show...at least for now.
They have two sites which are you referring too? This one Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for World Revolution or this one? NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

BTW the Occupy movement is anti-Democracy. Want proof? Here you go! " We provide a forum for peaceful assembly of individuals to engage in participatory as opposed to partisan debate and democracy." Statement of Autonomy | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street
 
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