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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?


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I never said anything about the federalist papers. I just said the Supreme Court ruled secession treason and illegal. It did. The federalist papers have nothing to do with that. Sorry. :shrug:

Personal attack noted. I guess that what's you do when the SC says something you don't like - shoot the messenger.

"Personal attack noted"... LOL! :lol:

I see you with a bit of snot edging down your lip as you wipe a tear from you eye with your sleeve...

He didn't say you said anything about them, he said that you could read them... intelligence level noted.
Outcome: Lacking basic IQ pre-requisite to debate with on a serious level.
 
how can a question be irrelevant?

A question can't... you are correct. The irrelevant part is how that question pertains to this issue. It doesn't.

Just to answer your question on its own merits though: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of patriotism for and loyalty to, the United States?

I would say no.
 
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A number of infractions have been handed out in this thread, and more will come if people continue to make personal attacks.
 
143 pages have been wasted on a thread that can really be summed up in one statement: The Supreme Court decided that secession is both illegal and treasonous.

Anyone is free to disagree with the Supreme Court decision, but that disagreement has no impact on the reality of what the Court has decided just like any other disagreement with the SC has no impact on law (see pro-lifers and Roe v. Wade for more information). If you disagree that secession is illegal, I suggest you get a lawyer.
 
A question can't... you are correct. The irrelevant part is how that question pertains to this issue. It doesn't.

Just to answer your question on its own merits though: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of patriotism for and loyalty to, the United States?

I would say no.
It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding. In a roundabout, twisted way the flag is patriotic and isn't at the same time. To me flying Dixie is a step below flying Old Glory upside down to show distress at where the country is heading but about ten steps above burning the U.S. flag in protest.
 
It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding.....

white supremacy was not one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech]Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.[SUP][1]
 
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143 pages have been wasted on a thread that can really be summed up in one statement: The Supreme Court decided that secession is both illegal and treasonous.

Anyone is free to disagree with the Supreme Court decision, but that disagreement has no impact on the reality of what the Court has decided just like any other disagreement with the SC has no impact on law (see pro-lifers and Roe v. Wade for more information). If you disagree that secession is illegal, I suggest you get a lawyer.
Wasted? Nonsense, this has been a very informative thread on many fronts. I will say this, sometimes the court does get decisions obviously wrong so appeal to the court on it's own face is not a substitute for substantive dialogue on the constitution and what it says.
 
white supremacy was not one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.[SUP][1]

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/SUP]
It's not about white supremacy. Sorry to break it to you.
 
Let's turn things around a little: is the Confederate flag a symbol of patriotism for and loyalty to, the United States?
Not to the current United States, but in theory, it could be a symbol of loyalty to the founding ideas of the United States.
 
Wasted? Nonsense, this has been a very informative thread on many fronts. I will say this, sometimes the court does get decisions obviously wrong so appeal to the court on it's own face is not a substitute for substantive dialogue on the constitution and what it says.
I agree. It's too bad substantive dialogue was actually "let me ignore what you actually posted and distort your posts".
 
It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding. In a roundabout, twisted way the flag is patriotic and isn't at the same time. To me flying Dixie is a step below flying Old Glory upside down to show distress at where the country is heading but about ten steps above burning the U.S. flag in protest.

What many here seem to be missing is the point. The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.
 
The Vice-President of the Confederate States of America, seems to have disagreed with you.

He can have his opinion... as archaic as it is. BTW, when did you discuss this with said VP?
 
What many here seem to be missing is the point. The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.
Yep. It's not that rare to see racists hiding behind Dixie to get run off by other flag wavers, we don't like them tarnishing our reputation and diminishing the conversation.
 
What many here seem to be missing is the point. The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.
Actually that's what a lot of us have said several times. It was actually your comment that "the flag is simply x, nothing more" which went against the grain as I kindly pointed out to you. But it's nice to see you've changed your position.
 
I agree. It's too bad substantive dialogue was actually "let me ignore what you actually posted and distort your posts".

One is always free to not engage in anything that detracts from substantive dialogue...
 
Actually that's what a lot of us have said several times. It was actually your comment that "the flag is simply x, nothing more" which went against the grain as I kindly pointed out to you.

Actually, my comment that the flag is simply X perfectly aligns with my latest statement... The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.

So you are agreeing with me now, it seems?
 
Actually, my comment that the flag is simply X perfectly aligns with my latest statement... The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.

So you are agreeing with me now, it seems?
I agree with your current position as it reflects my own. I do not agree with your last position which you have now amended.
 
Thank you for letting us know.

No worries... I am always distressed when I see people engaging in activities that they do not support, hence the advice to all.
 
Sorry if that's too off-topic, but I believe it's remotely related to the topic:

I have seen people here in Germany flying the flag of the former East German communist dictatorship GDR. Usually, they are idiots. Nostalgics who had a nice youth in the GDR, but became victims of the economic transformation after Reunification 1990, now unemployed and so on.

Now there is nothing wrong with being nostalgic (who doesn't want the good old times back, sometimes? And of course you can have a good life, even in a bad system), and it is nothing necessarily wrong with being critical of our current system, or the way Reunification was handled -- but I believe you can well hold these opinions, without at the same time justifying Berlin Wall, persecution of dissidents and shooting orders at the border. But many mix personal nostalgia with political revisionism. The latter makes them idiots.

Now I don't want to go into the topic of people flying black-white-red. They are idiots anyway, by default. :p
 
I agree with your current position as it reflects my own. I do not agree with your last position which you have now amended.

I amended nothing... I think that you are now just seeing it more clearly.

More advice: Seeking clarification next time might easily avoid such unpleasantness in the future.
 
Yep. It's not that rare to see racists hiding behind Dixie to get run off by other flag wavers, we don't like them tarnishing our reputation and diminishing the conversation.

Good call... keeps it clean.
 
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