Still fighting the Civil War, are we? Trying to take our eye off the ball that the South fought it to defend a racist institution, are we? I gotta give you revisionists credit, you sure have a lot of tenacity.
The revisionists are the ones keeping hold of this public school argument that the south started the war and that slavery was the only issue. You guys don't even realize how badly you're getting beat here. In the face of the constitution, historical writings dating back decades before the war, and all other evidence. Again, who's revising? Again, northern apologists. It wouldn't even be that bad if you all would just admit the north weren't saints in all of this.
Most of your other comments are a complete red herring. Unlike you, I'm grateful that the Union won. No, I won't even call it that. I'm grateful that AMERICA won. It's a real shame that some Americans choose to keep rooting for the losers.
Those rooting for the losers realize that the federal grew to unreasonable proportions due to that loss, you can thank that loss the next time you get frisked by the TSA, or audited by the IRS, or whatever happens.
Furthermore, your comment that the Union winning the war cost us liberty is a subtle racist comment.
I will say this once only, if you ever try to accuse me of something as atrocious as racism with that weak of an argument again we will have a problem. There is nothing racist about supporting states rights. You have chosen to side with expansion of a centralized government.
Blacks won freedom from slavery BECAUSE the Civil War rooted out.
Actually, that was not a matter settled by the Civil War, the thirteenth amendment wasn't ratified until the reconstruction in 1865. The fact is the war had already been over with.
And it was the South who, in the days following, passed the Grandfather Clause, Jim Crow laws, etc. The North didn't have nearly as many of these problems. But hey, I guess the South had liberty instead--as long as you were White!
Jim Crowe and other racially motivated hatred were a direct result of reconstruction abuses by Union officials, it doesn't make that right but it's fact. Next point, nobody answered which state had the largest KKK membership in the supposedly "bad south, bad bad south" period of our history, here's a hint, they urbanized in great numbers towards the north.
Reconstruction was a failure because it did not go nearly far enough. Just as we reeducated Germans to break their nationalistic spine after WWII, we should have broken the pro-Confederate, anti-American spine of the South after the Civil War. Had we done that, we wouldn't be having stupid discussions such as these.
So theft,fraud, rape, and destruction of property didn't go far enough? Yeah, and we were the assholes, go figure.
What aggressive action? Feeding men who were under a medieval-style siege, you call that aggression? Nah, aggression was the formation of a bastard government that took over a huge chunk of America. Now THAT'S a government takeover if I ever heard of one.
Considering they were in southern territory, I could care less if they suffered. Oh and that "bastard government" had the right to secede, they did so peacefully. You can drop the pretense any time.
omg, I didn't even think of it that way. Which means that the siege of Ft. Sumter was nothing short of an act of terrorism.
Fort Sumter was an act of aggression no matter which way you try to spin it.
