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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?


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This is the only part I was claiming you agree with. Sorry if it came across otherwise.

Nope, no problem. The after stuff was just getting involved, lol.

I don't think American slavery started the "race" thing. I think the race thing already started before American slavery and the fact that Europeans fashioned themselves superior to many different types of people is part of the reason why I've taken that position. They enslaved the Slavs because they thought they were inferior and they enslaved Native Americans and others because they thought those groups were inferior. Europeans/Americans (mostly) enslaved people from populations that they perceived as inferior to their own - Africans were one of those groups. This assumption of inferiority was a part who Americans chose to enslave - sometimes the assumption was based solely on religion, sometimes on culture, sometimes on race and with Africans, on a combination of all three.

I have to disagree. Historical precedent says otherwise.

So you have a good night.
 
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I made a neutral comment that you decided to challenge. Then, out of the blue, you posted and insulting comment about me to another person without provocation. You are a liar and as far as i can tell, merely projecting your faltering qualities onto me. This is not the first time that I have encountered a person that acts like you. It is fairly apparent where the real issue lies.

Continue to ignore the facts all you like...
If only that were true. :coffeepap
 
I have to disagree. Historical precedent says otherwise.

So you have a good night.
I have to disagree as well. The fact that Europeans viewed the majority of those who they enslaved as inferior and that the assumption of African inferiority specifically was well documented during the era in question supports my argument.

So you have a good night too.
 
Fail again. I'm not arguing I'm correct because Blackdog agrees - which is what appeal to popularity means. I'm pointing out that he's chosen to single out me for making the same argument that another poster has. .

No fricken' duh...

You have the absolute worst reading comprehension I have seen on this board

Ouch... don't hurt me now.

I don't know what this means.

No surprise there...

But given your record, I'm going to assume it's a fail.

Says the guy that has had his ass handed to him repeatedly...

...Just look at the, "you get what you put out" ridiculousness...
 
Fail again. I'm not arguing I'm correct because Blackdog agrees - which is what appeal to popularity means. I'm pointing out that he's chosen to single out me for making the same argument that another poster has. You have the absolute worst reading comprehension I have seen on this board.

I do not think that is accurate. There are others who are far worse.
 
This is the sum of your contribution to the thread: Hey, TPD, here's an argument you made 100 pages ago, but I'm going to accuse you of stealing it from me and then criticize you even though I agree with you.

Once again... I made a general comment and YOU challenged ME. It is right there in black and white and I even posted it again for you. It is no wonder that you won't acknowledge it...

If only that were true.

I made a specific post to it which you ignored. Apparently you truly are nothing but a liar.
 
I do not think that is accurate. There are others who are far worse.

Are you indicating that I have poor reading comprehension? If so... how and why? If so... let's debate something.
 
Are you indicating that I have poor reading comprehension? If so... how and why? If so... let's debate something.

Actually, I was DEFENDING you saying that characterization was not accurate.
 
I do not think that is accurate. There are others who are far worse.
I thought so until this thread. 95% of his posts in this thread have him been completely misreading everything I wrote, telling me that I copied his arguments, accusing me of being afraid of questions I already answered, patronizingly congratulating me for agreeing with arguments he made that I had already made 50 pages before and finally agreeing with the argument I had been writing all along because he thought I "copied" his argument when really he just had been misreading mine the entire time.

All of that is pretty bad. Usually people stop failing when you explain their mistakes, but he just keeps going. Hell, I prefer talking to apdst at this point.
 
No fricken' duh..

Ouch... don't hurt me now.

No surprise there...

Says the guy that has had his ass handed to him repeatedly...

...Just look at the, "you get what you put out" ridiculousness...
If only any of this were true.
 
Actually, I was DEFENDING you saying that characterization was not accurate.

Then I am glad that I sought clarification... It IS interesting though that people here make such assumptions about others based off of nothing more than what is many times, out of context comments with no tone to discern what the writer is actually intending.
 
I thought so until this thread. 95% of his posts in this thread have him been completely misreading everything I wrote, telling me that I copied his arguments, accusing me of being afraid of questions I already answered, patronizingly congratulating me for agreeing with arguments he made that I had already made 50 pages before and finally agreeing with the argument I had been writing all along because he thought I "copied" his argument when really he just had been misreading mine the entire time.

All of that is pretty bad. Usually people stop failing when you explain their mistakes, but he just keeps going. Hell, I prefer talking to apdst at this point.

:lol:

Hioly ****!

Talk about poor reading comprehension. LOL.

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Nice smile buddy...
 
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Bodi. Stop. Now.
 
Ha! No, I've pretty much solidified my position on this.

When you finally acknowldge this:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/112536-confederate-flag-symbol-treason-165.html#post1059980103

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
The Confederate Flag is simply a symbol of the South... of Dixie. It is about being proud of that fact.

Don't make more of it is than it actually is... we have enough real problems in the world without manufacturing them.

Originally Posted by theplaydrive
Oh I see, so only Southerners can have a valid opinion of the Confederate Flag. I think not.

It's a symbol of treason, slavery and racism in addition to a symbol of people's history, states' rights and whatever else.

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
I am not a Southerner. I have no idea why you would say that nor imply that only Southerners could have a valid opinion.

What is the Swastica to you then? I understand that you are probably not a Nazi, but I would still like to hear it.

Originally Posted by theplaydrive
I never said you were.
I wouldn't say or imply that. You would and you did.

And then we get this out of the blue to another poster:

Originally Posted by theplaydrive
I love that people are liking your post after you've blatantly lied about other posters and made a blatantly false claim and cowered away after being called out for it. Add LaMidRighter and Bodhisattva to the list of people who shouldn't be taken seriously.

...let me know.
 
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This is the only part I was claiming you agree with. Sorry if it came across otherwise.


I don't think American slavery started the "race" thing. I think the race thing already started before American slavery and the fact that Europeans fashioned themselves superior to many different types of people is part of the reason why I've taken that position. They enslaved the Slavs because they thought they were inferior and they enslaved Native Americans and others because they thought those groups were inferior. Europeans/Americans (mostly) enslaved people from populations that they perceived as inferior to their own - Africans were one of those groups. This assumption of inferiority was a part who Americans chose to enslave - sometimes the assumption was based solely on religion, sometimes on culture, sometimes on race and with Africans, on a combination of all three.
Well... I have to ask then....

Why didn't the whites just enslave those Africans who were selling off other Africans rather than paying them then....

Surely I would not pay someone for something if they were so inferior that I could take it from then
 
You're forgetting about acclimation and the African resistance to malaria and yellow fever, that white Europeans didn't have.

That's two genes. Out of what, tens of thousands?

This is an interesting comment. Aren't there fundamental biological differences? Skin. Hair. Eye color and shape. Size???

Then we get into why Mexicans and Kenyans win all the marathons. Why? Could it be that as a race they are more used to distance and heat? I don't know but I would not call talking about it or wondering about it racism.

Genetically speaking, these are very small differences. About as much as the different cat coats. Why? Because at any given time, they're only a generation or two from being diluted into a much larger gene pool. And don't forget about the nature vs. nurture debate.

You are so clueless about slavery.
The main reason for keeping the south in it was an AGRICULTURE BASED ECONOMY. Even today, Agriculture finds the dirt cheapest illegal immigrant labor to do its work. The north didn't have an agriculture based economy. The folks in the north were still about equally as racist as those in the south.

First of all, calm down. Your words come across as the product of someone who prefers bullying and power instead of logic and reason to get his points across. In case you haven't noticed by now, I don't play that game.

Second, though the relationship between race and slavery was complex during the early years, once it got rolling, the link between the two was unmistakable. If you deny that, then you need to review some of the pseudoscientific, political, and literature of the day that blatantly defended racism, which was needed to justify the cruelty of slavery.

Yes, there is. However, its not how they thought ONE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO. You have to view this in historical perspective. You can't apply modern moral principles to history spanning over a century and a half ago.

You're putting yourself on a rather high pedestal here. Why am I supposed to believe that you somehow have the correct perspective on history?

OMFG You still don't get it.

Come on, man. Learn to debate, eh? Critique my argument, concede it, or just plain ignore it. You have all of those options at your disposal.

Dude... It doesn't matter WHO bought them. They were up for sale by the conquering tribe. Which means if they were bought by whites, they surely would have been bought by the Arab nations who were ALSO involved in slave purchases.

Again, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about what got the slave industry started, I'm talking about what kept it going. We're debating apples and oranges here.

Hard to imagine an industrial economy that didn't have the need for MANY hands in hard conditions outlawed slavery while the agricultural economy that DID (and still does) have the need for many hands, working hard conditions, and doing it cheap as to maximize profits (and at the same time keep the costs of their products low) would need to keep slavery around.

Simple economics.

Again, you unintentionally post a scathing critique of unmitigated capitalism. There are these things called morals, you know, and unrestrained capitalism shatters them. But all people, I believe, have at least some standard of decency, a standard that would have caused Southerners to call their "peculiar institution" into great question. Racism was the vehicle that silenced those questions.

Oh no! I am racist against, myself!!!! :lol:

Honest question--does this mean you're black?

You have got to be kidding me. :doh You know what I mean and I don't care as "a rose by any other name."

Wait, you're denying that race is a social construct?

What the hell does "subspecies" and our "similarities" have to do with my statements? Nothing. The "Negro" has genetic differences from the "Caucasoid" and the "Mongoloid" "ethnicity." <--- Oh LMAO! PC gone mad.

Calm down, Glenn Beck. Genetic differences between human ethnicities are incredibly small.

This again has nothing to do with slavery or African genetics in the 1860's. It has nothing to do with the fact we were physically able to withstand the long hours in the field better than your average Native American, Asian or European. Which in the end contributed to blacks being in bondage whether you (in a PC tizzy) care to accept the truth or not.

Even if this dubious claim were true, are you seriously suggesting that this even partially justified slavery?

So far you got nothing man. A lot of hot air backed up by unimportant fallacy arguments that do not apply.

Need to up your game man.

Yep, the old classic tactic: If you're run out of logical points to make, engage in flaming instead. Right back at you.
 
Honest question--does this mean you're black?

I don't know? I am beginning to suspect though. :lol:

Yea I am man.

Wait, you're denying that race is a social construct?

Yea that is exactly what I am doing. Has nothing to do with the PC of "ethnicity." :roll:

Calm down, Glenn Beck. Genetic differences between human ethnicities are incredibly small.

So what? The genetic differences between humans and Apes is small but it makes a HUGE difference. We are physically different, ignoring it will not make it go away.

Again this has nothing to do with my argument.

Even if this dubious claim were true, are you seriously suggesting that this even partially justified slavery?

Yes that is exactly what I am doing, I am justifying slavery. You found me out.

Yep, the old classic tactic: If you're run out of logical points to make, engage in flaming instead. Right back at you.

Again your post is nothing but fallacy arguments that have little or nothing to do with my statements or my point.

The fact you think this is flaming someone...

So far you got nothing man. A lot of hot air backed up by unimportant fallacy arguments that do not apply.

Need to up your game man
- Blackdog

Is pretty telling.
 
Well... I have to ask then....

Why didn't the whites just enslave those Africans who were selling off other Africans rather than paying them then....

Surely I would not pay someone for something if they were so inferior that I could take it from then
This is different argument from the one I'm making. Also, you seem to be suggesting that some traders didn't think Africans were inferior. This is just factually incorrect.
 
white racists believed Africans were genetically and culturally inferior, but made a fine source for manual labor. Just like mules and donkeys.
 
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