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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?


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you want me to prove, that the African slave-trade was racist?

that's like asking me to prove that the Holocaust killed millions of Jews.

:lamo

American slave holder treatment of slaves was certainly racist, much more so at the end than the beginning... but African slave trade was not racist, as evident by the larger number of African slaves being slaves right at home in Africa
the African slave trade was domestic as well as international, don't forget that.
 
American slave holder treatment of slaves was certainly racist, much more so at the end than the beginning... but African slave trade was not racist, as evident by the larger number of African slaves being slaves right at home in Africa
the African slave trade was domestic as well as international, don't forget that.

we didn't get slaves from Africa because we believed that black Africans were human beings, equal to white people.

there is a reason why the USA passed a law called the "white slavery traffic act".

Congress passes the White Slave Traffic Act, June 25, 1910 - Andrew Glass - POLITICO.com
 
you want me to prove, that the African slave-trade was racist?

that's like asking me to prove that the Holocaust killed millions of Jews.

:lamo

And all you would have to do is show some video, pictures, eye witness testimony or historical tables to show proof of the Holocaust as countless of people have done in countless of debates.

Seriously, you are just making yourself look foolish.
 
you are ignoring that black societies did, indeed, enslave other blacks.... not just captured and sold them off.. huge swaths of the populations of various african countries were ,indeed, slaves

there's a lot more to the slavery story than racism.

and yes, it does have significance... hell dude, Ethiopia had an estimated 2 million slaves a full 50 years after we had ended slavery here, Nigeria had roughly the same number at the same point in time... don't tell me that doesn't have significance.
I'm not ignoring that. In fact, I said that Africans enslaved other Africans which was my point, but it doesn't have the significance that you're trying to attribute it. When people talk about "blacks enslaving other blacks", they are essentially saying "blacks enslaved their own people". No they didn't (at least not significantly). That's the point. Tribe X enslaved Tribe Y - these were not their own people.

Saying that Africans enslaved other Africans is akin to saying Europeans enslaved other Europeans. It doesn't mean much because the slavery of those societies was based on different foundations than American slavery.

the foundation of American slavery was not always rooted in racism either... although it certainly did manifest itself as such with the passage of time.
hell,we had over 100 years of institutional slavery before it was racialized.
Meh, I disagree. The inferiority of Africans was already a popular theory by the time American slavery rolled around and Europeans/Americans tended to enslave people that they deemed inferior to them whether it was Slavs, Africans or Native Americans. It doesn't make sense to say that both of those facts served no role in the foundation of American slavery.
 
American slave holder treatment of slaves was certainly racist, much more so at the end than the beginning... but African slave trade was not racist, as evident by the larger number of African slaves being slaves right at home in Africa
African slavery and American slavery do not mirror each other.
 
I just explained to you that I responded to the same question you asked me when it was asked by 1-2 other posters. If answer question X when it's posed to me by other posters, but I don't answer question X when it's posed by you, the problem is you. It's not that I'm "afraid" of the question...since I...answered the question, LOL.

Look, it is simply disingenuous to say, "I already answered that question, go look for it" when debating a person one on one. You and I were debating. I am not reading every post. I have a life. Who reads every post? That, and you didn't even tell me "which" post... just go look, I already answered it. In the past I would have, that is until I realized that too many people lie and it is a waste of time looking for non-existent answers.

Meh, I welcome you to read my posts in this part of the thread because every argument I put in the one we're currently talking about was in several individual posts by me yesterday. I essentially just put them altogether. Those are in this thread for you to read so it's pretty clear that you're just living up to your pattern of making comments about people before actually reading what they say.

I see you have completely ignored the fact that I posted how it was you that started with the insults, out of the blue, mind you, and that all of your "you get what you put out" crap is utter stupidity. I can see why you did, it is just pretty low. The patterns are clear indeed.
 
we didn't get slaves from Africa because we believed that black Africans were human beings, equal to white people.

there is a reason why the USA passed a law called the "white slavery traffic act".

Congress passes the White Slave Traffic Act, June 25, 1910 - Andrew Glass - POLITICO.com

that law, passed in 1910, has absolutely nothing to do with the African slave trade.

is this going to be another discussion where you refuse to acknowledge anything outside of your limited base of knowledge?.. let me know , so i can decide how best to continue.
 
Meh, I disagree. The inferiority of Africans was already a popular theory by the time American slavery rolled around and Europeans/Americans tended to enslave people that they deemed inferior to them whether it was Slavs, Africans or Native Americans. It doesn't make sense to say that both of those facts served no role in the foundation of American slavery.

I posted direct evidence that initially inferiority had nothing to do with the slave trade. It was not until the indentured servant issue blew up that anything of the sort began to occur. You ignored that too... well done.
 
no my friend, arguing that the enslavement of millions of black Africans in the USA was not racist, is what is foolish.

Then slam dunk me. Shove my face in your overwhelming evidence. Kick my ass with how foolish I am. I am a glutten for punishment. Hurt me baby...
 
Look, it is simply disingenuous to say, "I already answered that question, go look for it" when debating a person one on one. You and I were debating. I am not reading every post. I have a life. Who reads every post? That, and you didn't even tell me "which" post... just go look, I already answered it. In the past I would have, that is until I realized that too many people lie and it is a waste of time looking for non-existent answers.
It's disingenuous to say, "you're afraid to answer my question" when I've already answered it twice. It's also disingenuous to say "you stole my arguments" (which you've done multiple times) when I already made the arguments before you or even before you entered the thread. Your posts have just been a side show.

I see you have completely ignored the fact that I posted how it was you that started with the insults, out of the blue, mind you, and that all of your "you get what you put out" crap is utter stupidity. I can see why you did, it is just pretty low. The patterns are clear indeed.
Meh, you came into a thread in the midst of a conversation with arrogance and then proceeded to "educate" me on comments I had already made myself days before you entered. If you want respect, don't come into a 100 page thread and say, "this is how it is and any other argument is 'making too much out of nothing'". I don't do that because I'm not arrogant and when other people do it, I treat them how they ask to be treated. Like I said, you get what you put out.
 
<sigh>...I have no clue why I even bother typing stuff to you or Thunder...it's extremely frustrating.

I think i'll stop doing it.
You do realize that Blackdog agrees with my point on this right? So include him in your list. Or is this "don't pay attention to people's arguments, just look at their lean and insult them" day?

The fact is that you keep trying to use African slavery as proof that American slavery did not start out as racist. While the argument can be made that American slavery was not initially racist, African slavery is not proof for that argument. I've already explained why, but you clearly have decided that in spite of the fact I'm making the same argument as another poster, my lean means it has no validity.
 
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You do realize that Blackdog agrees with my point on this right? So include him in your list. Or is this "don't pay attention to people's arguments, just look at their lean and insult them" day?

hell, dude, i don't even totally disagree with what you are saying...and if you actually paid attention to what i'm saying, you'd see that... but meh, you had to jump in to argue for your bro Thunder and dismiss everything i typed.

odd that you would claim partisanship here... odd in that i have not once mentioned ideology or party or lean....project much?
 
It's disingenuous to say, "you're afraid to answer my question" when I've already answered it twice. It's also disingenuous to say "you stole my arguments" (which you've done multiple times) when I already made the arguments before you or even before you entered the thread. Your posts have just been a side show.


Meh, you came into a thread in the midst of a conversation with arrogance and then proceeded to "educate" me on comments I had already made myself days before you entered. If you want respect, don't come into a 100 page thread and say, "this is how it is and any other argument is 'making too much out of nothing'". I don't do that because I'm not arrogant and when other people do it, I treat them how they ask to be treated. Like I said, you get what you put out.

I made a neutral comment that you decided to challenge. Then, out of the blue, you posted and insulting comment about me to another person without provocation. You are a liar and as far as i can tell, merely projecting your faltering qualities onto me. This is not the first time that I have encountered a person that acts like you. It is fairly apparent where the real issue lies.

Continue to ignore the facts all you like...
 
You do realize that Blackdog agrees with my point on this right? So include him in your list. Or is this "don't pay attention to people's arguments, just look at their lean and insult them" day?

The fact is that you keep trying to use African slavery as proof that American slavery did not start out as racist. While the argument can be made that American slavery was not initially racist, African slavery is not proof for that argument. I've already explained why, but you clearly have decided that in spite of the fact I'm making the same argument as another poster, my lean means it has no validity.

You are awefully hung up on "lists" about who matters... :lol:
 
It's disingenuous to say, "you're afraid to answer my question" when I've already answered it twice. It's also disingenuous to say "you stole my arguments" (which you've done multiple times) when I already made the arguments before you or even before you entered the thread. Your posts have just been a side show..

And that argument will work great if you are ever in court.

Sorry Your Honor... I answered that question already to somebody else a few days ago. It is not my fault you entered into the issue/debate/case late. To Lawyer: This judge is a waste of time, what an arrogant person.

What? You can't find me in contempt... I told you I already answered that question! You know Your Honor, you get what you put out. Blah blah blah... :lol:
 
<sigh>...I have no clue why I even bother typing stuff to you or Thunder...it's extremely frustrating.

I think i'll stop doing it.

You get what you put out.
 
You do realize that Blackdog agrees with my point on this right? So include him in your list. Or is this "don't pay attention to people's arguments, just look at their lean and insult them" day?

The fact is that you keep trying to use African slavery as proof that American slavery did not start out as racist. While the argument can be made that American slavery was not initially racist, African slavery is not proof for that argument. I've already explained why, but you clearly have decided that in spite of the fact I'm making the same argument as another poster, my lean means it has no validity.

I agree that African slavery was not really racist and irrelevant to this argument overall, but American slavery did not start of as a "race" thing. It was simply business, and Africans fit the bill a little to perfectly. I mean Europeans pretty much thought they were superior to any of the natives they came in contact with. It had almost nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture and manifest destiny. Race did not play any real part until it came to justifying continuing slavery later, much later.
 
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I agree that African slavery was not really racist and irrelevant to this argument overall,
This is the only part I was claiming you agree with. Sorry if it came across otherwise.

but American slavery did not start of as a "race" thing. It was simply business, and Africans fit the bill a little to perfectly. I mean Europeans pretty much thought they were superior to any of the natives they came in contact with. It had almost nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture and manifest destiny. Race did not play any real part until it came to justifying continuing slavery later, much later.
I don't think American slavery started the "race" thing. I think the race thing already started before American slavery and the fact that Europeans fashioned themselves superior to many different types of people is part of the reason why I've taken that position. They enslaved the Slavs because they thought they were inferior and they enslaved Native Americans and others because they thought those groups were inferior. Europeans/Americans (mostly) enslaved people from populations that they perceived as inferior to their own - Africans were one of those groups. This assumption of inferiority was a part who Americans chose to enslave - sometimes the assumption was based solely on religion, sometimes on culture, sometimes on race and with Africans, on a combination of all three.
 
Appeal to Popularity. A Logical Fallacy. A Bunk Argument.
Fail again. I'm not arguing I'm correct because Blackdog agrees - which is what appeal to popularity means. I'm pointing out that he's chosen to single out me for making the same argument that another poster has. You have the absolute worst reading comprehension I have seen on this board.
 
And that argument will work great if you are ever in court.
This is the sum of your contribution to the thread: Hey, TPD, here's an argument you made 100 pages ago, but I'm going to accuse you of stealing it from me and then criticize you even though I agree with you.
 
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