Again that's how some see it, others don't. It's just a flag.Originally Posted by Your Star
Again that's how some see it, others don't. It's just a flag.
Ya'll throw around words like, "treason", and, "rebel", and now, "traitor", not only in the absolutely wrong historical context, but I'm starting to think ya'll don't know what these words actually mean!
Now the Confederates were trators?
Damn...just...damn!
In the US, treason is legally the act of trying to overthrow the government, or aiding the enemies of the USA, or advocating the overthrow of the government. (And we've had lots of people who have done that in recent years who were still not convicted of legal treason, for some reason.) Flying the stars-n-bars as a remembrance of the War Between the States is not, itself, treasonous.
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"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
By that logic, don't ever fly the Stars and Stripes, because you will equally not get it.
Last edited by apdst; 11-12-11 at 11:10 AM.
Perhaps. There are many people in this country who have ancestors who fought in the war and the flag represents the bravery of those who fought for what they believed in. It is putting a lot of weight to what simply represents the fortitude of some people's ancestors fighting for principles and that many of their descendants still believe in today. At the same time, the contradiction still remains because many of those principles were not only atrocious, but were also based on an abandonment of the United States. It doesn't make sense to love the US while flying the flag of those who did not love it enough to improve it, but decided to leave it, particularly in public places.
No, I mean the heroes that gave their lives in defense of their principles. You know, your relatives. Misguided? No doubt. Honorable? Yes.
The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am the storm."
Bolded portion -- in my mind, that's it exactly. But then I'm a rather fair-minded individual.
The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am the storm."
I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying I don't understand it, and probably never will, even as a southerner.
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Laura make much of me
I don't think flying the flag is treason. I think the flag symbolizes treason.
This is the definition of treason in the Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
The Confederacy participated in both of the bold things. Moreover, I don't understand the argument that the Civil War was just a war between states. The Confederacy considered itself an entirely different country. It was fighting for independence.
If the US had lost the war against Britain and people flew the US flag in Britain today, would you not consider it strange that British people are flying the flag of those who no longer wanted to be British?
I hear ya.
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