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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?


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So, Confederate ministers going to France and England probably doesn't count, I guess?....

please name those countries that officially recognized the legitimacy and soveriegnity of the CSA, by establishing diplomatic relations.
 
Usually "diplomatic relations" means an official recognition of sovereignty and an exchange of ambassadors. Just because it "sounds like a diplomatic relation" to you doesn't constitute diplomatic relations.


Well, it all started with, "recognition", then when that didn't work it was, "official recognition", then, "England and France refused to do business with the Confederates", and when that blew up in their faces it became, "official, diplomatic relations", and that went to ****, so it became, "exchanged ambassadors and embassies". What's next, "super-special, official, kewl, diplomatic recognition signed in blood"?

Making up your own meanings for words, and then you call everyone else "revisionists." :lamo

At least I know the difference between the Stars and Bars and the Confederate Battle Flag.
 
please name those countries that officially recognized the legitimacy and soveriegnity of the CSA, by establishing diplomatic relations.

I knew you were going to re-invent your arguement somehow. :rofl
 
Only if their credentials are accepted by the government there. They also, apparently sent representatives to negotiate with Lincoln...guess that means Lincoln recognized them.:shock:

James Mason was minister to Queen Elizabeth and John Slidell was minister to Napolean III. I'm thinking their credentials were accepted, or they wouldn't have stayed in town.
 
No foreign nation officially recognized the Confederate States of America as an independent country

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I guess we solved that one.

I never said they did. This all started when I pointed out that European countries did do business with the Confederacy.

However, diplomatic relations and diplomatic recognition are two differen things. Were there diplomatic relations? Yes. Official diplomatic recognition? No.

Nice job of muddying the water, though
 
I never said they did. This all started when I pointed out that European countries did do business with the Confederacy...

sure, they allowed trading to occur.


but they never recognized the legitimacy nor soveriegnity of the CSA.
 
sure, they allowed trading to occur.


but they never recognized the legitimacy nor soveriegnity of the CSA.

I never said they did. Glad you can admit that the comment about the Confederacy and Europe not doing business is a bald-cafe lie, though. You've come a long way.
 
...Glad you can admit that the comment about the Confederacy and Europe not doing business is a bald-cafe lie, though. You've come a long way.

good thing I never made such a comment. maybe you're talking about someone else.
 
No foreign nation officially recognized the Confederate States of America as an independent country

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I guess we solved that one.

I don't think the point was ever in contention....

i'm wondering if you'll get around to addressing the reasons they were not officially recognized.
I'll give you a hint... the union basically threatened them with war if they did... and beings as though the the commerce they did with the south was not of the necessary sort, they had more to benefit from not recognizing them and keeping the peace with the union.
 
Pope Pius IX..............
 
I don't think the point was ever in contention....

i'm wondering if you'll get around to addressing the reasons they were not officially recognized.
I'll give you a hint... the union basically threatened them with war if they did... and beings as though the the commerce they did with the south was not of the necessary sort, they had more to benefit from not recognizing them and keeping the peace with the union.

I brought this point up earlier. Basically all the governments said was "Country? I don't see you trading with some other country that doesn't officially exist. *whistles innocently*"
 
I never said they did. Glad you can admit that the comment about the Confederacy and Europe not doing business is a bald-cafe lie, though. You've come a long way.

I made that claim and you haven't proven anything. The british did not buy cotton made by slave labor. They decided to get cotton from india instead.
 
James Mason was minister to Queen Elizabeth and John Slidell was minister to Napolean III. I'm thinking their credentials were accepted, or they wouldn't have stayed in town.

Put a modern spin on it, and let's say Abkhazia sent an emissary to Washington, and this person stuck around to keep trying. Does that mean that the United States recognizes Abkhazia?
 
so if Muslims declared part of London to be a seperate state, they would have the right to attack a local police station, as it was now illegally occupied territory???

No. Those muslims would be seceding from a unitary state (England). We are discussing whether one of our sovereign states is legally empowered to withdraw from the compact into which it voluntarily entered.
 
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IMO, the rebel flag really should be done away with. Before folks who know which side of the racial divide I fall on pounce on me, I ask that you hear me out because I'm about to tell it like it is! No sugar coating here, folks.

I fully understand this particular flag's place in history. It's a symbol of historical pride for many who were born and raised in the South. However, for some that "pride" goes deep and it's dark...really dark.

For many, the rebel flag is nothing more that a symbol of southern pride and historical memorabilia; nothing more. These are people who very likely are history buffs, born and raised in the south who love southern traditions and take great pride in being good, decent, kind, fun-loving southern folks. Being that I'm a Black man who happens to be a "Yankey livin' in the mid-south," I can tell you I've met more kind hearted White southerns than I've met any who wish to do me harm. However, there are those whose view of the rebel flag represents something much more sinister - White racial unity and supremacy. Anyone who denies this is very likely attempting to hide behind a segregationist mindset born of a bygone era of slavery, share cropping, racial hatred and racial inequality against those who are not of "their own kind".

It is for the latter reason that I believe the rebel flag should be done away with because whenever it is raised under that dark cloud of racial hatred, inequality and bigotry all one racial group sees is "Let's go get us one of 'dem there **gers! Get a rope!," while the other sees "Danger, Will Robinson!".

I would not have a problem with the rebel flag being placed in a national museum, i.e., the Smithsonian, because of its historical significance. Treat it exactly as we've treated all former versions of the Stars and Stripes from the 13 original colonies to when this nation ratified Hawaii as its 50th state. Moreover, while it is totally permissible for each state to raise its state banner, I find no reason whatsoever to raise the rebel flag and give it such homage just because of its historical significance connected only to those southern states that lost the Civil War. As such, hang it on your walls in your homes if you wish to display your southern pride! Put rebel flag bumper stickers on your cars. Hang calendars or posters with southern beauties draped in it if you will. (I just gave somebody a nice marketing idea! Go me!! :) ) But I honestly see no reason to wave this flag at public events because in the majority of situations whenever it is waved high with vigor, there's also the venom of "piss and vinegar" that accompanies it. (Ever been to a KKK rally?)

I respect the historical significance of the rebel flag, as well as the attachment for some as a symbol of southern pride, but to ignore the dark stigma that comes with it...

While I don't see the rebel flag as a sign of treason, I do question why its still allowed to be put on public display considering that when you strip away all the historical relevance, this flag is used more to remind people of what tore this country apart rather than what should be holding us together. Play Taps, fold it neatly, retire it and tuck it away in a display case.
 
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What about him? And why should anyone care what he thought? Was he a Constitutional scholar, too?

Yeah and if he did support the confederacy it would show Christianity's true colors.
 
No. Those muslims would be seceding from a unitary state (England). We are discussing whether one of our sovereign states is legally empowered to withdraw from the compact into which it voluntarily entered.

That's the thing though. The US was not a confederacy like EU which states were independent. In any dispute the federal govt is the final authority as was in the secession dispute. The federal govt said that pursuant to the Constitution secession was illegal and therefore the confederacy never existed.
 
No. Those muslims would be seceding from a unitary state (England). We are discussing whether one of our sovereign states is legally empowered to withdraw from the compact into which it voluntarily entered.

if you think South Carolina is sovereign, like Denmark is sovereign, than you are very...very wrong.
 
I made that claim and you haven't proven anything. The british did not buy cotton made by slave labor. They decided to get cotton from india instead.
And exactly how does one, "MAKE", cotton? :thinking:
 
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