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Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

    Votes: 3 5.8%

  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    Votes: 8 15.4%

  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    Votes: 36 69.2%

  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • I have no clue. Fill me in.

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Total voters
    52
Who cares, it's Pennsylvania, not Virginia Tech.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Please provide a link. All I have been looking at is the Grand Jury's report.
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Yes, a link would be great. I've read the grand jury's report and various accounts about the disappearance of the DA in 2005 (Ray Crigar, and although strange and mysterious, this may just be bizarre coincidence) but don't know what the state police commissioner has said.
 
OscarB63 said:
not according to the state police commissioner
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I too would like to see a link.

By law, people who work directly with children are required to report child abuse they witness - or hear about - within 48 hours to a state-funded child abuse hotline or law enforcement.

"Pennsylvania law requires mandated reporters to turn in abuse," York City Church Pastor Aaron Anderson said. Anderson is a member of the advisory board of Prevent Child Abuse Pennsylvania. "But there's no law for training mandated reporters. There's a general ignorance about what do I do with this."


Did Paterno do enough to report sex abuse? - The York Daily Record
 
whysoserious said:
It seems evident that he killed himself by jumping off of a bridge. It is killing me to know what was on that hard drive that he wanted to get rid of so badly, though.
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Since the body didn't appear like others in the past on that river, the police aren't convinced that it's evident.


Zaccagni thought it possible that Gricar, who wasn’t a strong swimmer, had jumped from this nearby bridge.
James: When did you lose your confidence in that particular theory?
Zaccagni: Well, I think we started to lose it when we didn’t find the body right away. The river has a history of turning up the bodies relatively soon.
 
Crigar didn't find enough evidence, I understand, to proceed with an investigation. Quite a mystery, and maybe this mysterious tangent will end up providing closure to Crigar's daughter/executrix. But I still think it's probably a tangent. I hope it is.
 
If I were Paterno, I'd start gifting as much of my estate to my kids/grandkids/friends and relatives as possible before any of Sandusky's vicitms sued me. because given the sentiment shown here, a jury would make him pay because he should've done more.
 
OscarB63 said:
If I were Paterno, I'd start gifting as much of my estate to my kids/grandkids/friends and relatives as possible before any of Sandusky's vicitms sued me. because given the sentiment shown here, a jury would make him pay because he should've done more.
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Joe Paterno and the original asst coach that reported it to them are quite the culpable enablers...the asst coach did the right thing reporting it to Paterno HIS BOSS...paterno did the right thing reporting it to his boss...but paterno first ACTION should have been to tell the coach to go immediately to the police and report the incident...he did not do that.
Its becoming quite obvious that everyone surrounding sandusky has a fear of this man or WHO he associates with...if it turns out theres a pedophile ring of powerful men who were allowed to continue their criminal sexual abuse...EVERYONE even near this issue needs to do BIG TIME for it...this is disgusting

Read this article..as redress said...I HOPE IT IS NOT TRUE....could you even imagine another nambla but worse

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html
 
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What's that old saying? That all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing?
 
lpast said:
Joe Paterno and the original asst coach that reported it to them are quite the culpable enablers...the asst coach did the right thing reporting it to Paterno HIS BOSS...paterno did the right thing reporting it to his boss...but paterno first ACTION should have been to tell the coach to go immediately to the police and report the incident...he did not do that.
Its becoming quite obvious that everyone surrounding sandusky has a fear of this man or WHO he associates with...if it turns out theres a pedophile ring of powerful men who were allowed to continue their criminal sexual abuse...EVERYONE even near this issue needs to do BIG TIME for it...this is disgusting

Read this article..as redress said...I HOPE IT IS NOT TRUE....could you even imagine another nambla but worse

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden - College Football - NESN.com
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true, Sandusky needs to be subjected to the same treatment he gave those boys.
 
nota bene said:
What's that old saying? That all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing?
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except in this case they did not "do nothing", they just, according to popular sentiment, didn't do enough.
 
What I mean is that they seem to have satisfied themselves that all they were required to do was remain in contractual compliance.
 
nota bene said:
What I mean is that they seem to have satisfied themselves that all they were required to do was remain in contractual compliance.
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which, had the DA done his job would have been more than "enough". If you want to blame someone, blame DA Crigar. oh wait, we can't because he is missing.

what you are missing is that even had they gone to the cops...the cops would've gone to the DA...the same guy who didn't do anything. and the result would've been the same.

cops don't decide who to prosecute and who not to, the DA does. unless they witness the crime in progress, the cops don't get to decide who to arrest and who not to. it doesn't matter what the cops think, if the DA doesn't want to prosecute the case there is nothing the cops can do.


so all this crying about "they should've gone to the cops" is, from a practical standpoint, irrelevent. since the result would've been the same.
 
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OscarB63 said:
except in this case they did not "do nothing", they just, according to popular sentiment, didn't do enough.
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In some ways, he did what he should have. In other ways, he should have done more. I can understand why they fired him, but I could see where they would want to. All in all, it was probably best to let him go and try to close it off somehow. If he wasn't fired, the storm that would have surrounded the University would have been ....well, a lot.
 
nota bene said:
What's that old saying? That all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing?
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Man is this incident the PERFECT application of that saying...good one nota
 
OscarB63 said:
true, Sandusky needs to be subjected to the same treatment he gave those boys.
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First he needs to be put in a room for 15 minutes with me and you...just say let us soften him up a little...then send in legions of prison booty bandits...till he stops breathing....sorry folks..I have a total utter aversion for the slime that abuses kids...for years they utterly turned my stomach being near them...they ooze freak and evil out of their pores...and they all have an excuse..
 
rocket88 said:
In some ways, he did what he should have. In other ways, he should have done more. I can understand why they fired him, but I could see where they would want to. All in all, it was probably best to let him go and try to close it off somehow. If he wasn't fired, the storm that would have surrounded the University would have been ....well, a lot.
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If it comes out that he was told to shutup after he reported it...Paterno needs jail time like everyone aware of this case...as a cop this stinks of a coverup by powerful people...my gut tells me this goes much deeper than just worry about the schools reputation...any intelligent person knows you cant ignore a formal eye witness acct of sodomy on a child..they knew it had to eventually come out and be worse when it did. ...seems theres a sense of fear surrounding this whole sandusky thing...I believe you can trust that the investigators will give this everything they have...cops hate crimes on kids.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Since the body didn't appear like others in the past on that river, the police aren't convinced that it's evident.


Zaccagni thought it possible that Gricar, who wasn’t a strong swimmer, had jumped from this nearby bridge.
James: When did you lose your confidence in that particular theory?
Zaccagni: Well, I think we started to lose it when we didn’t find the body right away. The river has a history of turning up the bodies relatively soon.
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It's just so weird. And they found his laptop with the hard drive missing, and later revealed he had searched on how to fry one. They did turn a hard drive up but the FBI couldn't recover anything off of it (apparently he researched it well enough).
 
OscarB63 said:
except in this case they did not "do nothing", they just, according to popular sentiment, didn't do enough.
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They didn't do enough. Really, especially McQueary,you don'tsee someone doing this and walk away. Anyone with a moral code lets it continue. And just passing it on, with him still hanging around? No It is not unreasonable to have expected more.
 
Cephus said:
But Joe doesn't live in any of those 40 states, does he? What he did was entirely legal in the state in which he lived at the time that he did it. If the laws change, they don't become retroactive. You may not like that he didn't do more, but he did what he had to do and anyone criticizing him is just being emotional.
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He did as was required. I have never said he didn't. I would have done the same as he did and called the police as there was a child involved in the incident that was reported to him. Humanity demands that we should as adults protect children from harm. They are helpless in many situations. If you saw a child playing in the street and the parents were discussing something and not watching. Would you tell the parent and hope they responded or pull the child out of the street to protect it from an oncoming car?
Joe and McQeary left the child in the street to be crush and many other children beyond that one by their inaction.
 
OscarB63 said:
that's not what I am saying at all. you are letting your emotions cloud your judgement
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You are saying exactly that. You just want to save Joe even though he did not do all he could to protect the children. Fine with me.
 
whysoserious said:
It's just so weird. And they found his laptop with the hard drive missing, and later revealed he had searched on how to fry one. They did turn a hard drive up but the FBI couldn't recover anything off of it (apparently he researched it well enough).
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It's not that hard. There're a number of free programs which are readily available.
I didn't know he researched that himself.
Seems like overkill to wipe it then drop it in the river apart from its laptop. But, there's no telling what his state of mind was and what he thought was necessary I suppose.
 
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