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Thoroughly sick of all things Occupy? OWS?

Are you tired of all things OWS?

  • No! We need 24/7 coverage until the Movement succeeds!

    Votes: 15 21.7%

  • Anti-OWS, but I like arguing about it.

    Votes: 6 8.7%

  • Pro-OWS, but I'm getting tired of arguing about it.

    Votes: 9 13.0%

  • Anti-OWS, sick of hearing about it.

    Votes: 22 31.9%

  • Not taking sides, just plain sick of it all.

    Votes: 9 13.0%

  • Other/Rootebega

    Votes: 8 11.6%
  • Total voters
    69
  • Poll closed .
Catawba said:
You make up something and attribute it to me, then claim it makes no sense. Do you think no one sees though this? Let me know if you should decide to discuss what I actually said.
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Then what do you actually want? Wealth distribution? Are you a communist now?
 
Proud South Korean said:
Then what do you actually want? Wealth distribution? Are you a communist now?
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Do you consider our forefathers to have been communist? It might be simpler for you to just read my posts. As I stated above, what the majority of the country wants is a reversal of the wealth redistribution that has occurred over the last 30 years.
 
Catawba said:
Do you consider our forefathers to have been communist? It might be simpler for you to just read my posts. As I stated above, what the majority of the country wants is a reversal of the wealth redistribution that has occurred over the last 30 years.
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Then what are the standards of you "wealth distribution"
Did the founders of the US even want "wealth distribution"?
 
Proud South Korean said:
Then what are the standards of you "wealth distribution"
Did the founders of the US even want "wealth distribution"?
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
Catawba said:
Your opposition to economic justice is noted. The majority, myself included, disagree.





That is what the OWS is protesting. For the last 30 years tax rates have been decreased for those at the top and increased for the middle class, so more and more of the middle class are being forced into poverty to pay higher tax rates to make up for lower tax rates being paid by those at the top.
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The most important thing is what we are spending tax dollars on. From there we can debate over the means. The 16th Amendment was an attempt to make the rich pay their fair share.

Tax History Project: Reconstruction to the Spanish-American War

Tax History Project: The Income Tax Arrives
 
I think the whole "Free Speech" complaint by these Occupiers is laughable. They've been allowed to hang around in these places for more than a month without getting the fire hoses, police dogs, and National Guard bayonettes turned on them. They've been granted a lot more leeway than most other groups would be by the governments and law enforcement agencies of the Cities that they are blighting with their presence. Who knows, maybe some day we'll return to some form of common sense in this country and THEN they'll actually have a point in complaining about the restriction of "Free Speech"
 
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is that the people are allowed to assemble, we just don't have any places for that to happen. The protesters need a place to assemble and it needs to be where other people can see them. Failure to provide that place will most certainly evolve into having protesters occupying areas that are even less hospitable. That will require many more arrests.

Do you really want to try to lock up 10,000 protesters in your city jail? That's the kind of thing that will render your local justice system inoperable.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Do you really want to try to lock up 10,000 protesters in your city jail? That's the kind of thing that will render your local justice system inoperable.
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Who ever said anything about locking all of them up? Some leave in body bags. Others in paddy wagons. Others just get run off by the sound of the bayonettes being locked into place on the National Guardsmen's flash suppressors.
 
Mickey Shane said:
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is that the people are allowed to assemble, we just don't have any places for that to happen. The protesters need a place to assemble and it needs to be where other people can see them. Failure to provide that place will most certainly evolve into having protesters occupying areas that are even less hospitable. That will require many more arrests.

Do you really want to try to lock up 10,000 protesters in your city jail? That's the kind of thing that will render your local justice system inoperable.
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BS, no city needs to set up an urban camp site where deranged loonies can live. How about following the laws that are established by your community. If the loonies do that no arrests will be necessary.
 
Mickey Shane said:
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is that the people are allowed to assemble, we just don't have any places for that to happen. The protesters need a place to assemble and it needs to be where other people can see them. Failure to provide that place will most certainly evolve into having protesters occupying areas that are even less hospitable. That will require many more arrests.

Do you really want to try to lock up 10,000 protesters in your city jail? That's the kind of thing that will render your local justice system inoperable.
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They can peaceably assemble, but they have to follow the law in doing so. Camping on public land is not assembly and it is not permitted in most places. If they want to assemble lawfully during the day and go to their hotel rooms at night, fine by me. If you violate the law, you deserve to be prosecuted.
 
Cephus said:
They can peaceably assemble, but they have to follow the law in doing so. Camping on public land is not assembly and it is not permitted in most places. If they want to assemble lawfully during the day and go to their hotel rooms at night, fine by me. If you violate the law, you deserve to be prosecuted.
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when you start sleeping and ****ting in the park, you have ceased being a lawful protestor and have become a homeless bum
 
Catawba said:
What of the "rights" that were infringed upon by those not wishing to ride the bus with African Americans, unless they were in the back of the bus? Or those business owners "rights" to not admit people of color?

I'm pretty sure what they are saying is the rights of the 99% will not be subjugated by the 1%.
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Did you really just compared sleeping in a park doing drugs and ****ting on the sidewalk to the civil rights movement?


the "1%" are unnaffected, the "99%" that happen to live in that neigborhood suffer from noise, trash, crime, businesses not giant coporate chains suffer from lack of business because these dirt bag hypocrites only patronize starbucks and mcdonalds...


how about the ambient noise level of over 98dba outside the elementary school across from the park?


You have the freedom to do as you wish until you infringe on someone elses rights.
 
Catawba said:
Economic justice is when one small class of people doesn't continually get the gold mine while the middle class gets the shaft. Economic justice is when you reverse 30 years of cutting taxes on the wealthy. Economic justice is reestablishing the firewall between investment banking and commercial banking, Economic justice is paying a living wage to the people that make the wealth in this country. Economic justice is eliminating tax cuts for outsourcing American jobs.
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Maybe they should occupy an occupation and work for thier money like me and everyone else. The fact that some dude has a ton of money, does not affect me making slighly less money than him. What do you care?



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ReverendHellh0und said:
Maybe they should occupy an occupation and work for thier money like me and everyone else. The fact that some dude has a ton of money, does not affect me making slighly less money than him. What do you care?



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I am dying because greedy rich bastids like you are stealing all the monies from poor people and breathing up all the air.
 
Mickey Shane said:
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is that the people are allowed to assemble, we just don't have any places for that to happen. The protesters need a place to assemble and it needs to be where other people can see them. Failure to provide that place will most certainly evolve into having protesters occupying areas that are even less hospitable. That will require many more arrests.

Do you really want to try to lock up 10,000 protesters in your city jail? That's the kind of thing that will render your local justice system inoperable.
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So... we need a public campground located right next to every city hall in every city?

Puuuuhhhleeeaazzee...
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Did you really just compared sleeping in a park doing drugs and ****ting on the sidewalk to the civil rights movement?


the "1%" are unnaffected, the "99%" that happen to live in that neigborhood suffer from noise, trash, crime, businesses not giant coporate chains suffer from lack of business because these dirt bag hypocrites only patronize starbucks and mcdonalds...


how about the ambient noise level of over 98dba outside the elementary school across from the park?


You have the freedom to do as you wish until you infringe on someone elses rights.
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Sounds about right for a city street given that normal conversation is 50 to 70 dB. The great majority of protesters are not doing drugs and ****ting on the sidewalk, and yes I absolutely compare the cause of OWS with the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war protests, as have those within those movements.

And, they are already having an effect.

"As importantly, the movement has already changed the public debate in America.

Consider, for example, last week’s Congressional Budget Office report on widening disparities of income in America. It was hardly news – it’s already well known that the top 1 percent now gets 20 percent of the nation’s income, up from 9 percent in the late 1970s.

But it’s the first time such news made the front page of the nation’s major newspapers.

Why? Because for the first time in more than half a century, a broad cross-section of the American public is talking about the concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the top.

Score a big one for the Occupiers.

Robert Reich on the OWS Effect | Blog | Rebuild the Dream
 
Catawba said:
Why? Because for the first time in more than half a century, a broad cross-section of the American public is talking about the concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the top.
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Really? Someone must not get out much.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Maybe they should occupy an occupation and work for thier money like me and everyone else. The fact that some dude has a ton of money, does not affect me making slighly less money than him. What do you care?
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The majority of the country and I care because we resent paying higher tax rates and having SS and Medicare benefits cut to provide tax breaks for the wealthy. We also resent the poor economy that having most of the wealth, income, and power concentrated at the top has resulted in.
 
Fiddytree said:
Really? Someone must not get out much.
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If that is the case than provide for us your documentation of the last time we had tens of thousands of people protesting across the country and a majority of the country in agreement that too much wealth, income, and power was concentrated at the top?
 
Catawba said:
Sounds about right for a city street given that normal conversation is 50 to 70 dB. The great majority of protesters are not doing drugs and ****ting on the sidewalk, and yes I absolutely compare the cause of OWS with the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war protests, as have those within those movements.

And, they are already having an effect.

"As importantly, the movement has already changed the public debate in America.

Consider, for example, last week’s Congressional Budget Office report on widening disparities of income in America. It was hardly news – it’s already well known that the top 1 percent now gets 20 percent of the nation’s income, up from 9 percent in the late 1970s.

But it’s the first time such news made the front page of the nation’s major newspapers.

Why? Because for the first time in more than half a century, a broad cross-section of the American public is talking about the concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the top.

Score a big one for the Occupiers.

Robert Reich on the OWS Effect | Blog | Rebuild the Dream
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You forgot that they denied access to public areas to the public for their own selfishness (Portland, St.Paul's), assaulted innocent bystanders and the police, and made a huge mess and disorder in society
 
Cephus said:
They can peaceably assemble, but they have to follow the law in doing so. Camping on public land is not assembly and it is not permitted in most places. If they want to assemble lawfully during the day and go to their hotel rooms at night, fine by me. If you violate the law, you deserve to be prosecuted.
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You seem to have the best response to my post and I can see that point of view. The first amendment however, doesn't say anything about where protesters need to spend the night. Get that amendment amended and I will fall into your camp (d'oh! bad pun).

Until then, the people's right to assemble trumps curfew and camping laws. Why do you think that it took 2 months for Mayors to evict protesters? It's because their lawyers told them: don't tread on them.
 
Mickey Shane said:
You seem to have the best response to my post and I can see that point of view. The first amendment however, doesn't say anything about where protesters need to spend the night. Get that amendment amended and I will fall into your camp (d'oh! bad pun).

Until then, the people's right to assemble trumps curfew and camping laws. Why do you think that it took 2 months for Mayors to evict protesters? It's because their lawyers told them: don't tread on them.
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No... its because they took two months to become cesspools of criminal activity.
 
Kali said:
With most protest you must outweigh the good with the bad. I am not sick of it and am glad that people are Finally protesting again. My hope is that it sends strong signals to the Hill. The people are stirring and rightfully so.. The lion is not even fully awake right now. I do not think those in power wish to see a Lion that is fully awake and ready for food.
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Our voice(OWS) is tomorrow's hope.
 
Bloody Angry said:
Our voice(OWS) is tomorrow's hope.
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Hope for what? More government control?

No thanks.

I have a job..... I make a living...... and I get insurance and retirement......I have hope already.
 
Caine said:
No... its because they took two months to become cesspools of criminal activity.
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You on the other hand have a crummy response. I will be down at occupy Denton tonight. It's not a cesspool of criminal activity.
 
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