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Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

  • The poor should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    3
dems want a society where the majority are beholden on dem politicians to give the majority the wealth of the minority
no, try again. but this time use the rational part of your brain.
 
I'm sorry that you're projecting.

Not at all.

My argument does not rest on the premise that many lower income people don't own property. My argument rests only on the premise that higher income people are more likely to own property than lower income people. That premise is a fact and so my argument still stands.

No kidding. Of course more rich people own property. But there are less rich people. Most property owners are middle class.


But if you don't think owning property is the only legitimate way of having a stake in the country, then why do you consider it a valid means of determining voting rights. If there are ways other than property ownership to have a stake in the country, then wouldn't people who use those ways instead of property ownership also lose their right to vote?

Owning property is the natural end result of long term investment and planning. Instead of focusing on one aspect, trying thinking about what it takes to get there. A stable job, focus on long term goals such as financial solvency, and for us lower income people, being thrifty. I sure hate canning beans and making my own laundry detergent but if it helps pay the mortgage-

Even with lower income, people can still be property owners in a relatively short time. One doesn't even need credit. There's owner financing. I don't understand why people find the idea of having standards for those who vote. It shouldn't have anything to do with gender or race for sure, but people should at least have a modicum of intelligence and foresight.
 
I don't know about Turtle, but I've been treating this whole discussion as direct votes, not elected representatives. A vote on a particular issue ought to be made up of those who will directly fund and be affected by said issue. The idea that a group of people can vote to have someone else pay for something that directly benefits them seems absurd.
We don't get direct votes on the vast majority of these issues*, so the presumption reduces the point or concept to a mere talking point, which is nothing less than clouding the discussion. It's kind of like saying, "In our fantasy world, where this doesn't really exist, it should be done this way.". Seriously, what does that add to the discussion?

Can we apply it to the real world? How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues?

*- Barring some issues on ballot initiatives, but those only happen in some states and never at the federal level.


concur totally
Of course you do. It's your saving grace.
 
no, try again. but this time use the rational part of your brain.

I think I am more than handling you without shifting out of first gear. Its probably why I am defending those of us who pay too much taxes and you are one of those who demand the successful pay more
 
I'm talking about people who make NOTHING per year because they don't work AT ALL. They get handed a check by the state month after month because they're too damn stupid or lazy to go get a job and earn their own way.

So the majority of the older voters that vote your way anyways are the ones that you don't want voting? I don't really know what you are getting at.
 
I see by the numbers in the poll that there are 11 people who voted the poor should be excluded from voting. My question is: "Who defines poor?" What will prevent those who do define "poor" from raising the bar?

How about force castration on the poor instead? If generational breeding is prevented...problem solved...right?

What will be the next criteria used to segregate a targeted group to remove from the voting booths? I don't guess anybody is paying attention to these power mongers we've created. These folks want more power. All of you partisan junkies...be careful what you wish for. You might get it...and blow up in your face.

If either party become the sole owners of the government - life is going to get damn interesting. Today's "Occupy Demonstrations" will look a religious pilgrimage...to pray all the bad boogie officials and financial crooks away - in comparison to what it will be like.
 
I'm talking about people who make NOTHING per year because they don't work AT ALL. They get handed a check by the state month after month because they're too damn stupid or lazy to go get a job and earn their own way.
Does this include the guy who worked 50 years, retired, and collects a social security check every month?
 
No kidding. Of course more rich people own property. But there are less rich people. Most property owners are middle class.
That supports my argument. Lower income people own the least amount of property percentage wise. Their interests often threaten the interests of higher income people (higher income, not rich as you said) which includes the middle class who interests are threatened by the 'poor vote'.

Owning property is the natural end result of long term investment and planning. Instead of focusing on one aspect, trying thinking about what it takes to get there. A stable job, focus on long term goals such as financial solvency, and for us lower income people, being thrifty. I sure hate canning beans and making my own laundry detergent but if it helps pay the mortgage-

Even with lower income, people can still be property owners in a relatively short time. One doesn't even need credit. There's owner financing.
Right, but you said that there are other means of having a stake in the country than owning property. What about the people who take advantage of those means and lose their right to vote? What about college students are incredibly informed about political issues and are building themselves a life, but have no property? What about people who made mistakes and got into poverty with owning property, but are about to be affected by laws that will make it more difficult to get them out of it? What about people are affected by an economic crisis and have to give up their property while they try to find employment?

I don't understand why people find the idea of having standards for those who vote. It shouldn't have anything to do with gender or race for sure, but people should at least have a modicum of intelligence and foresight.
Because we understand the limits and dangers of subjectivity when applied to something so essential as voting. Once upon a time, literacy tests were a "standard" for voting that were used to keep blacks from voting for their interests. I don't understand why people haven't learned anything from history.
 
My intention was and admittedly I made the choices wrong..and left out the obvious that everyone should be allowed to vote.
By poor I meant those that do not pay taxs because they earn below average wage.
 
I think I am more than handling you without shifting out of first gear. Its probably why I am defending those of us who pay too much taxes and you are one of those who demand the successful pay more
You don't pay too much, you pay too little. :)
 
You don't pay too much, you pay too little. :)

the parasite class and their enablers feel that way

when you pay as much as I do you might have the standing to say that. Right now I suspect I pay more in a quarter than you pay in a decade
 
the parasite class and their enablers feel that way

when you pay as much as I do you might have the standing to say that. Right now I suspect I pay more in a quarter than you pay in a decade
I'm so proud of you, but you could pay a little more and you probably will end up paying more.
 
I'm so proud of you, but you could pay a little more and you probably will end up paying more.

I suspect you will never make it to that point. I will pay more because each year I increase my income by 100K or so
 
Does this include the guy who worked 50 years, retired, and collects a social security check every month?

Nope, but it does include the guy who has never worked and just collects a government check. I love how you keep trying to redirect the intention.
 
Nope, but it does include the guy who has never worked and just collects a government check. I love how you keep trying to redirect the intention.
Merely seeking to clarify overly broad and vague statements. It's been like pulling teeth. If you don't want so many questions, don't be so vague and be more specific.
 
How about a society where poor folks work hard and get the hell out of poverty without trying to vote more freebie nonsense on themselves instead. You forget what the American Dream is. If you work hard enough, you can be successful. When can we expect these people to work and take responsibility for their own lives?

What about the poor folks that ARE working 40+ hours a week just to get by? Screw them? Too bad they are not up to the right income level? Listen to yourself right now! You are suggesting that the poor should not be able to vote in the USA! Just to suggest or think such a thing is Anti-Americanism. :(

Freebie nonsense? You consider WIC, foodstamps and welfare nonsense? These programs save babies and children. Do you wish to live in a land that would rather starve babies then help their fellow mankind? Where is your heart?

Do you know that the majority in this country live pay check to pay check and that all it would take is a lay off or terminal illness to put them on this "freebie" programs that you call nonsense? Wake-Up Dude!
 
I don't think someone paying no income taxes should have the power to vote up the rates on those who do

Why not? This is silly. Where does it end? How about only letting those IN gov. vote on who gets elected for another term? Honestly this is silly.
 
I suspect you will never make it to that point. I will pay more because each year I increase my income by 100K or so
Again, I'm proud of you, but you can pay a little more and you will pay more not just because of your income increase. :)
 
Why not? This is silly. Where does it end? How about only letting those IN gov. vote on who gets elected for another term? Honestly this is silly.

Actually...the rich can't exist without the poor.

Kali...it wouldn't end. The "decider" (had to throw in a Bush term) or whoever defines "poor" also has the power to raise the bar...or create a new criteria to exclude others from the political process.
 
What about the poor folks that ARE working 40+ hours a week just to get by? Screw them? Too bad they are not up to the right income level? Listen to yourself right now! You are suggesting that the poor should not be able to vote in the USA! Just to suggest or think such a thing is Anti-Americanism. :(

Freebie nonsense? You consider WIC, foodstamps and welfare nonsense? These programs save babies and children. Do you wish to live in a land that would rather starve babies then help their fellow mankind? Where is your heart?

Do you know that the majority in this country live pay check to pay check and that all it would take is a lay off or terminal illness to put them on this "freebie" programs that you call nonsense? Wake-Up Dude!

I keep looking at the calendar expecting it to say April 1st and someone to shout "April Fools." I cannot believe anyone would favor denying the right to vote to a person just because of poverty. It's un-American.
 
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