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Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

  • The poor should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    3
I keep looking at the calendar expecting it to say April 1st and someone to shout "April Fools." I cannot believe anyone would favor denying the right to vote to a person just because of poverty. It's un-American.

There's a lot of people in the country who would start building the hell out of debtor's prisons. Now that would help the government counterfeit more money to run all of the new prisons.
 
I am not getting this whole property ownership thing/ talk.. So just cause you do not own something you should not be allowed to vote? :(
Real estate is the last thing folks need to be investing in right now:confused::doh:confused:
 
There's a lot of people in the country who would start building the hell out of debtor's prisons. Now that would help the government counterfeit more money to run all of the new prisons.

Iirc, debtors prisons were slave labor work houses.

I'm sure they could turn a profit.
 
My intention was and admittedly I made the choices wrong..and left out the obvious that everyone should be allowed to vote.
By poor I meant those that do not pay taxs because they earn below average wage.

But they are sill citizens and have the right to vote. You do not have to have a job or anything else to vote in this country and that is the way it should be. To try to shun the most poor in this country is disgusting and maybe should be criminal. When we start taking away basic human rights based on bank account or lack of it? We have FAILED! Thankfully those in this thread wishing to remake our country into one that does not include all will never happen in my day.
 
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all poor people are parasites?

wow. why soo much hatred?

No, I don't think anyone here meant to suggest that the poor are parasites, nor that parasites are necessarily poor.

I would say that a “parasite” in this context is anyone who takes more from society than he contributes in return. Someone who collects welfare, making no attempt to find an honest job, would certainly qualify. So would someone like Bernie Madoff, who runs a massive Ponzi scheme that steals millions of dollars from many people who get nothing in return. So would someone who “works” at a government job, where he collects a paycheck, but spends all his day playing on the Internet instead of getting any productive work done.

There are all sorts of parasites among humanity, achieving all sorts of different levels of wealth or poverty.
 
No, I don't think anyone here meant to suggest that the poor are parasites, nor that parasites are necessarily poor.

I would say that a “parasite” in this context is anyone who takes more from society than he contributes in return. Someone who collects welfare, making no attempt to find an honest job, would certainly qualify. ....

How about a banker who makes reckless investments and then gets bailed out by corporate welfare? How about someone who inherits a fortune and just lives off it without ever doing anything productive?
 
No, I don't think anyone here meant to suggest that the poor are parasites, nor that parasites are necessarily poor.

I would say that a “parasite” in this context is anyone who takes more from society than he contributes in return. Someone who collects welfare, making no attempt to find an honest job, would certainly qualify. So would someone like Bernie Madoff, who runs a massive Ponzi scheme that steals millions of dollars from many people who get nothing in return. So would someone who “works” at a government job, where he collects a paycheck, but spends all his day playing on the Internet instead of getting any productive work done.

There are all sorts of parasites among humanity, achieving all sorts of different levels of wealth or poverty.
While I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, the gist I get from some in this thread is that Madoff would be ok since he paid taxes.

Prior to his conviction, of course.
 
You should have added a third option: "Everyone should be allowed to vote."

Yea, even if everybody was legally able to vote in our country still only about 50% would actually show up! lol
 
I am not getting this whole property ownership thing/ talk.. So just cause you do not own something you should not be allowed to vote? :(
Real estate is the last thing folks need to be investing in right now:confused::doh:confused:

It's a buyer's market, actually. We got ours for really cheap. People are desperate to sell.
 
I'm entirely fine saying the only people who can vote are those who pay income taxes. If you're not going to pay for government, you ought to have no say over it.

exactamundo.
 
I'm entirely fine saying the only people who can vote are those who pay income taxes. If you're not going to pay for government, you ought to have no say over it.

all Americans pay for govt.

sales taxes pay for govt.

what you are suggesting is full-on class-warfare, one that the rich would lose.
 
all Americans pay for govt.

sales taxes pay for govt.

sales tax paid with money from a welfare check given to you by the govt doesn't count.
 
sales tax paid with money from a welfare check given to you by the govt doesn't count.

what about folks who are lower-class but make too much to be on welfare?

don't they pay sales-tax?

its interesting how Conservatives who are supposedly all-about freedom and rights for all, are seeking to strip their fellow Americans of the most fundamental of rights: the right to choose their representatives.

put it this way: if you can be drafted, you should have the right to vote.

if the govt. has power over you, you should have power over your government.
 
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We don't get direct votes on the vast majority of these issues*, so the presumption reduces the point or concept to a mere talking point, which is nothing less than clouding the discussion. It's kind of like saying, "In our fantasy world, where this doesn't really exist, it should be done this way.". Seriously, what does that add to the discussion?

Can we apply it to the real world? How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues?

*- Barring some issues on ballot initiatives, but those only happen in some states and never at the federal level.



Of course you do. It's your saving grace.

This here and the fact everyone pays taxes in any case.

The premise of the poll is ridiculous.
 
what about folks who are lower-class but make too much to be on welfare?

don't they pay sales-tax?
sure. now will you agree that those on welfare pay no taxes?
 
put it this way: if you can be drafted, you should have the right to vote..

well, since they did away with the draft...that point is irrelevent. oh...and women were never drafted. I guess they shouldn't have the right to vote. :shrug:

put it this way: according to that logic, only MEN between the ages of 18 and 25 should have the right to vote, since those are the only people required to register with selective service.
 
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This here and the fact everyone pays taxes in any case.

The premise of the poll is ridiculous.

Of course it is. And it is NOT about paying taxes. It is about finding any excuse to take people off the voting rolls who probably will not vote the way certain people want them to vote. It is pure political partisanship in its most naked and extreme ugliness.

It is not suppose to make sense. It is suppose to keep certain people in power winning elections despite the demographics of the nation turning against their party and their parochial interests.

Never make the mistake this is about taxes.
 
all Americans pay for govt.

sales taxes pay for govt.

what you are suggesting is full-on class-warfare, one that the rich would lose.

Pretty much all sales tax is local. So they only vote in local elections? I know, let's have a national sales tax. That being said, we wouldn't want a system where we exclude the poor from voting however tempting that may be. Government has created a dependent class that will only vote for the side that keeps the money coming. Then there is the other dependent class that vote to keep their money flowing.
 
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Pretty much all sales tax is local. So they only vote in local elections? I know, let's have a national sales tax.

shhhhh, don't confuse them with pesky things like facts.
 
Nope, but it does include the guy who has never worked and just collects a government check. I love how you keep trying to redirect the intention.

Can you provide a link to these government checks for able bodied males?

As far as I know if they don't have kids they don't get squat. Here in CA, afaik, they can get General Relief once every couple years, a couple hundred in cash and food stamps. No longterm checks that I am aware of.
 
Can you provide a link to these government checks for able bodied males?

As far as I know if they don't have kids they don't get squat. Here in CA, afaik, they can get General Relief once every couple years, a couple hundred in cash and food stamps. No longterm checks that I am aware of.

they tend to ignore this nasty little fact, able bodied people with no children don't get welfare.
 
all Americans pay for govt.

sales taxes pay for govt.

what you are suggesting is full-on class-warfare, one that the rich would lose.

Don't forget that rents are generally calculated to include property taxes, so mkst renters actually are paying the property taxes for their landlords.

Meaning they actually pay the one tax that qualifies one to vote in the constitution.
 
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