Worst Presidents

Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

Let's see who agrees with him.

What about Nixon?

whysoserious said:

What about Nixon?

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Nixon didn't let 500,000 Americans die needlessly because he was too much of a worthless pansy to make the hard decisions to prevent a civil war.

Is this some kind of anti Lincoln thread?

TheDemSocialist said:

Is this some kind of anti Lincoln thread?

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I would assume he was referring to Lincoln's predecessors, who truly WERE awful presidents: James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, and Millard Fillmore. I would also include Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson, who actively sided with the southern segregationists and helped to pave the way for institutionalized Jim Crow Laws.

obvious Child said:

Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

Let's see who agrees with him.

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I would love to see you explain the reasons that you picked the poll options that you did. Each one seperately of course. Just so we won't get confused as to what exactly you are basing your arguement on.

Any one who thinks that Obama is the worst President is a partisan hack with no ability to understand how a determination like this would be made. Generally, it takes about 10 years after a Presidency to fully understand the impact of that administration. Currently, we can not fully assess the administrations of GWB or Obama. Anyone who believes otherwise has no credibility.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Any one who thinks that Obama is the worst President is a partisan hack with no ability to understand how a determination like this would be made. Generally, it takes about 10 years after a Presidency to fully understand the impact of that administration. Currently, we can not fully assess the administrations of GWB or Obama. Anyone who believes otherwise has no credibility.

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Sorry CC but I have to disagree here. Its not hard to tell that Bush invaded privacy rights via the Patriot Act and used 9/11 as an excuse to do it (something which even now, under Obama, is still in effect). It is also not hard to tell that Obama is putting a tax on people for simply living with his Obamacare. To me those two points alone puts both of them among the worst presidents in US history.

Now if I'm a partisan hack for this...well then...so be it.

You left out Wilson, the man who literally sold the United States to private bankers. The legal codification of wealth disparity that we are still suffering under today, that informed Reaganomics, trickle down theories, the absurd idea that the wealthy actually deserve what they have... that all comes from Wilson and his allowing turning over ownership of all the wealth in the country to a few private interests. Did you know that all money is actually borrowed from them? That's why it says Federal Reserve Note. Did you also know that 25% of all payments from the national debt go right into their pockets. That's right, of the nearly 15 trillion that the country owes, 3.75 trillion of that is destined to go right into the pockets of these legally anonymous owners of the Federal Reserve. And it's not like they gave us anything for this. All of the money we have is a debt to them. It's loaned out, with interest.

And all of this is because of Woodrow Wilson. Also, he manipulated his country into a war it had no business taking part in. I'm sure a lot of conservatives hate him for signing the federal income tax into law. Plus he was a racist, in a time when racism was starting to lose its hold on the country, and enlightened, educated people were getting over some of the old prejudices. Plessy vs Ferguson, while allowing the "separate but equal" doctrine (which is, of course, not equal at all), still recognized that it was wrong to subject members of different races to unequal standards like education. A black school had to be just as good as a white school. Why do I mention this? It was because Plessy v Ferguson was resolved in 1896, and Woodrow Wilson was elected president in 1913. In 17 years, he ought to get with the program. Instead he wanted to keep the separate part, but drop the equal.

I don't mean to suggest that everything Woodrow Wilson did was bad. He supported some important anti-trust legislation and signed women's suffrage into law. He did some good. But the bad things he did are so unforgivable that they still are killing innocent children today, in order to line the pockets of fatcats so fatcat, they must no longer be human.

Because of Woodrow Wilson, none of us own any of our possessions. We had to purchase them on credit, even if we bought it with cash, for even cash is just credit from the federal reserve. Because of Woodrow Wilson, we are slaves. Debt Slaves. We own nothing, and have no buying power. With every action we take, with every dime spend we tangle their web even tighter.

I've ranted and gotten a bit doomsayer here, but the important information is simple.
1. Federal reserve bad. It's owned by and operated by a few private owners, whose identities are kept completely secret.
2. Federal reserve big. All money it gives to use is actually an agreement to pay that money back, with interest.
3. Federal reserve smart. All the money we have to pay back the reserve is done with either (slave) labor, or the very same money that we borrowed from them and cannot pay the debt on.

All very complex, and I am not sober enough to explain in real detail.

Suffice to say. Woodrow Wilson was a bad guy. And I am about to pass out.

Kal'Stang said:

Sorry CC but I have to disagree here. Its not hard to tell that Bush invaded privacy rights via the Patriot Act and used 9/11 as an excuse to do it (something which even now, under Obama, is still in effect). It is also not hard to tell that Obama is putting a tax on people for simply living with his Obamacare. To me those two points alone puts both of them among the worst presidents in US history.

Now if I'm a partisan hack for this...well then...so be it.

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You can identify policies that you do not like, but from a historical perspective, we really have no idea of the impact that these administrations will have in the big picture... and that is the true test of the success or failure of a Presidency. I'm not saying that you are a partisan hack, but I do think that your perception on this issue is very short-sighted.

CaptainCourtesy said:

You can identify policies that you do not like, but from a historical perspective, we really have no idea of the impact that these administrations will have in the big picture... and that is the true test of the success or failure of a Presidency. I'm not saying that you are a partisan hack, but I do think that your perception on this issue is very short-sighted.

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I don't think its short sighted. Once rights are given out they are very hard to take away. But once they are taken away they are very hard to get back also. How long will the Patriot Act stay in effect? Obamacare? From all indications, both current and historical, both of those policies are here to stay permanently. Both go against what the US is suppose to stand for.

Granted I'm basing my belief on one policy from each of those two presidents instead of everything those two have done period. But imo those two policies are against two of the most important freedoms that we have as US citizens. The only thing imo that might cancel those two losses out would be if GWB and Obama's policies totally got rid of the poverty level in the US. Those two freedoms are that important to me.

Kal'Stang said:

I don't think its short sighted. Once rights are given out they are very hard to take away. But once they are taken away they are very hard to get back also. How long will the Patriot Act stay in effect? Obamacare? From all indications, both current and historical, both of those policies are here to stay permanently. Both go against what the US is suppose to stand for.

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But you have no idea whether or not those two policies, historically, will be helpful to the country. Obamacare, for example, could turn out to be a major asset to healthcare... or a major disaster. Currently, we have no idea, so basing your position on Obama on this issue is VERY short-sighted.

Granted I'm basing my belief on one policy from each of those two presidents instead of everything those two have done period. But imo those two policies are against two of the most important freedoms that we have as US citizens. The only thing imo that might cancel those two losses out would be if GWB and Obama's policies totally got rid of the poverty level in the US. Those two freedoms are that important to me.

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Important to you. That does not determine whether they were good for the country, over all.

Obamacare is just more of the wolfs eating the sheep while the patriot act is police state nonsense. Neither one is good for the country.

Henrin said:

Obamacare is just more of the wolfs eating the sheep while the patriot act is police state nonsense. Neither one is good for the country.

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You might be right... or not. Thing is we won't really know until there is some distance from these Presidencies.

CaptainCourtesy said:

You might be right... or not. Thing is we won't really know until there is some distance from these Presidencies.

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And some of the stuff that went down we may never know - too highly classified or some such.

Rececent History: George W. Bush, for his wars, his budget deficits, and that he fueled the bouble in 2001 to prevent the crisis.

Mid-History: Herbert Hoover, because of his terrible policies during the depression. If Hoover was replaced with a monkey, US would have done better.

Past History: Andrew Jackson, he was horrible against the indians, and millions of indiands died and lost their homeland because of him. He also crashed the whole economy with his dumb polices.

Camlon said:

Rececent History: George W. Bush, for his wars, his budget deficits, and that he fueled the bouble in 2001 to prevent the crisis.

Mid-History: Herbert Hoover, because of his terrible policies during the depression. If Hoover was replaced with a monkey, US would have done better.

Past History: Andrew Jackson, he was horrible against the indians, and millions of indiands died and lost their homeland because of him. He also crashed the whole economy with his dumb polices.

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You've got to be kidding about Jackson. Yes, he was horrible against Native Americans, but that was the perception of the time, and placing it in historical perspective, his positions were consistent with social mores. As far as economics, Jackson is the ONLY President in history to have left office with a budget SURPLUS.

CaptainCourtesy said:

You've got to be kidding about Jackson. Yes, he was horrible against Native Americans, but that was the perception of the time, and placing it in historical perspective, his positions were consistent with social mores. As far as economics, Jackson is the ONLY President in history to have left office with a budget SURPLUS.

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I'm glad you didn't bring Clinton that one.

obvious Child said:

Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

Let's see who agrees with him.

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I think Carter got worse after leaving office after he laid down his hammer and started bitching about everybody.

The Democrat controlled House and Senate for allowed Obama to waste more money and run up a debt more than all others in that office combined.
We now have more people living in poverty and on food stamps than even.
Housing repositions are at an all time high.
Obama has made major mistakes in foreign policy and has become the Appeaser in Chief blaming Americas for all the world ills while he talks a good game, and does things to make everything worse.
Libya is going to be run by Sheia
The only thing Obama has been good at is taking vacations waisting our money to live like a welfare recipient who won the lottery, (with His wife's help), and he is also good at blinding idiots who lake the mental acuity to see past the smoke and mirrors.
Obama and his people many are radicals, have also convince these same "people" that his is somehow brilliant' when his record in office ans every program they have come up with show the opposite to be true.
Obama learned Black Liberation Theology over 20 years from his Anti- American mentor Rev, Wright. He also was raised in atmosphere of communism from his father, stepfather, mother and grandparents.
He is now touting the Wall Street Protesters who are showing signs proclaiming Marxism and Anti- Semitism which seems to fit Obama to a T.
I think if Obama has an enemies list there are a few here who are on it.

American said:

I think Carter got worse after leaving office after he laid down his hammer and started bitching about everybody.

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While Carter was indeed a failed president, he is the model for excellence after leaving office. He is perhaps the only one who has not whored himself out to the highest bidder.

CaptainCourtesy said:

You've got to be kidding about Jackson. Yes, he was horrible against Native Americans, but that was the perception of the time, and placing it in historical perspective, his positions were consistent with social mores. As far as economics, Jackson is the ONLY President in history to have left office with a budget SURPLUS.

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That's like saying Hitlers actions were the perception of time, and hence he wasn't one of the worst person in the world.

Jackson first signed into the Indian Expulsion Act, which is absolutely horrible and inhumane. It did not have bipartisan support. His policies killed nearly half of the Indians in the US and he stole their homeland. You remember trail of tears?

Jackson had no respect for the Supreme court and the system of checks and balances.

Jackson did reduce the debt, but the previous President did most of the job. He just finished it by causing a property bubble. The property bubble and his silly economic policies caused a huge economic depression.

Jackson created the spoils system, which is hiring your friends to important positions, instead of the ones who are qualified.

obvious Child said:

Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

Let's see who agrees with him.

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Thomas Jefferson should be on this poll.

He compromised his political beliefs for the sake of expediency, and signed the Embargo Acts which not only hurt American business but also pissed off both the British and the French, which set the conditions for the War of 1812, one of the most needless wars in American history.


P.S. - Nobody cares about the pissing match you have with other members of the forum. Next time you ask a question, especially a poll, please do so with the intent of intellectual honesty and not in an attempt to get more people on your side in that pissing match.

Worst Presidents...

Franklin Roosevelt
Lyndon Johnson
Woodrow Wilson

haymarket said:

While Carter was indeed a failed president, he is the model for excellence after leaving office. He is perhaps the only one who has not whored himself out to the highest bidder.

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Really, which presidents have? Please name them, this should be good.