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Get White Boy Drunk: Is That Racist?

White Boy Drunk: Racist or Not?

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tessaesque said:
Or rather, we've made points that discredit or correspond to the idiocy we've seen throughout this thread...but since you appear to agree with a lot of that idiocy you wouldn't catch it, would you?
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That's the problem, you think you've discredited my and others' arguments...but you haven't even addressed our arguments. You've simply made some up, attributed them to us and argued against them and you don't even know it. That's what people keep trying to tell you. Like I said earlier, you can step of your high horse because it hasn't been earned.

In sum:
1. Slavery happened.
2. Many traders and slave owners viewed slaves as inferior because of their race.
3. The history of racial inequality has left a legacy on the United States which is not erased by "white trash" or the potential enslavement of Greeks which you have tried to steer the conversation towards.
4. Even so, racial inequality and race relations have gotten better in time.
5. Nonetheless, certain words and phrases still have racist connotations (re: the actual topic of this thread).
6. Telling people some variation of "get over it" and "blacks sold slaves so it's no big deal" and "white people were poor too" and "i respect black men unlike you" does nothing to get rid of those realities.
 
tessaesque said:
Did I ever make a general statement that white people had it hard? No, I did not.
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Not racially inferior, but socially inferior, yes we do. Indentured servitude and oppression on the basis of financial status was incredibly rampant in this country for quite some time. - tessaesque
White people made white people inferior to themselves before white people made black people inferior to themselves....in the contexts of American history. - tessaesque
They were denied the same rights and discounted in the same ways as blacks were. To this day, you still have "white trash" white people: - tessaesque
Tell that to the 1/3 of the US that's on welfare or near poverty. You know, the same group you keep claiming can't get out of their financial position? -tessaesque

Need I go on?

Your whole premise is poor white people were inferior for slightly different reason. :doh

tessaesque said:
I said white people were made to be inferior on the basis of their financial ability. And that's true. As far as what you indicated in red, you're either ignoring Thunder's posts or picking on mine, because he's not only implied it, he's directly said it here and in other areas.

But really, it's okay. You can think what the hell every you want. Much like Thunder's, your opinion on my credibility doesn't matter.
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You have a nice day.

PS I don't think the comment was racist. Of course I don't see racism in every comment that makes light of someones race like far to many idiots.
 
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Blackdog said:
...Your whole premise is poor white people were inferior for slightly different reason. :doh

You have a nice day.
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even worse, his premise is that poor white people have it as bad as blacks under slavery & segregation.

he is either WILDLY exaggerating the suffering of poor whites, or totally diminishing the horrors & oppresion of slavery & Jim Crow.

either way, his argument is crap.
 
Wake said:
It is special treatment when in the OP that black couple can say such a thing and not be ostracized, yet if a white couple said the exact equivalent it would.

THAT is special treatment.
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DING DING DING.
I think we have a winner.


Which brings me to my thoughts on the actual opening post scenario, people's reactions to it, and the complexities of race relations made harder and harder every year.

Throughout this thread, Thunder and others have consistently reminded us of different words, phrases, or conversations that are "racist" that others here are either learning for the first time, don't agree, or do agree with. The problem with this lies in that this makes communication between folks of different races very difficult, and more difficult each year as a new concept gets "turned racist". All this does it make it more difficult for people of different races to find friendship and blend well together in society, creating a social "segregation". And rightfully so. Why would I want to seek out friendship with someone who will be looking to take anything I say as something racist or racially offensive even if I didn't mean it that way? Society's social structure when it comes to these "racist concepts" is getting so confusing that I am beginning to believe they need to make a manual on it, and make it a required class in high school alongside of civics and algebra in order to obtain your diploma. One example I learned recently that I can only accuse on the recent plight of illegal immigrants is that it is apparently "Racist" to mention english being the predominant language in the USA. Since when is this "racist". Somehow the concept of the english language has turned into a "racist concept". Not to mention imagery that is now considered racist. The classic game, Hangman, is now Racist? WTF?? Since when? Im sorry, blacks were NOT the first people to be hanged. In fact, the amount of whites hanged at the hands of other whites FAR, FAR, FAR outweighs the amount of blacks hanged at the hands of whites.

I started rambling, but the point I am trying to make is that all these little racist concepts, phrases, images, ideas are not doing us ANY favors in trying to merge races together socially, and in fact create quite a divide.

I shouldn't have to have a manual on how not to offend someone ACCIDENTALLY just to communicate or even befriend someone of a different race.
 
Thunder said:
even worse, his premise is that poor white people have it as bad as blacks under slavery & segregation.

he is either WILDLY exaggerating the suffering of poor whites, or totally diminishing the horrors & oppresion of slavery & Jim Crow.

either way, his argument is crap.
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I don't know if whites had it as bad in the US as did blacks under JC and slavery. Only because I am not well versed on that particular subject. On the surface I would say no. My point however was she came out swinging the race card for the wrong reasons and did not have a good grasp of what was being said.

I do know in this era it is time for my brothers and sisters to pull themselves up and do what they need to do and stop using excuses. Racism, inequality and slavery are no longer excuses for failure, period.
 
Wake said:
It is special treatment when in the OP that black couple can say such a thing and not be ostracized, yet if a white couple said the exact equivalent it would.

THAT is special treatment.
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No that's not special treatment. That's context.
 
theplaydrive said:
No that's not special treatment. That's context.
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Ah, there is that special word that makes the same action acceptable for some yet not for others. Beautiful.
 
Wake said:
It is special treatment when in the OP that black couple can say such a thing and not be ostracized, yet if a white couple said the exact equivalent it would.

THAT is special treatment.
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Jesus, what's next? are you going to complain about the fact that its more socially acceptable for blacks to call each other "niggers", while white people can do this?
 
Wake said:
Ah, there is that special word that makes the same action acceptable for some yet not for others. Beautiful.
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ah, so context, history, social-dynamics, mean nothing to you.

well, this is the real world, and in the real world...these things matter.
 
Thunder said:
even worse, his premise is that poor white people have it as bad as blacks under slavery & segregation.

he is either WILDLY exaggerating the suffering of poor whites, or totally diminishing the horrors & oppresion of slavery & Jim Crow.

either way, his argument is crap.
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No, the premise is that poor white people today have it as bad as poor black people today, not that they had it as bad as black people under Jim Crow laws or slavery. It should be about what makes a statement racist or not, which honestly should be the intention behind the statement, not just the way the statement is perceived due to what did happen in the past due to racism. We are talking about what happens to people today and why. This is what the conversation should be about, instead of what happened 60+ years ago and before.
 
Thunder said:
ah, so context, history, social-dynamics, mean nothing to you.

well, this is the real world, and in the real world...these things matter.
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If the N-word is a racist, bad word, then NO ONE should use it. Period. End of story.
 
roguenuke said:
No, the premise is that poor white people today have it as bad as poor black people today, not that they had it as bad as black people under Jim Crow laws or slavery. It should be about what makes a statement racist or not, which honestly should be the intention behind the statement, not just the way the statement is perceived due to what did happen in the past due to racism. We are talking about what happens to people today and why. This is what the conversation should be about, instead of what happened 60+ years ago and before.
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And here comes Rouge with the reality hammer and BOOM! everything makes sense.
 
Wake said:
If the N-word is a racist, bad word, then NO ONE should use it. Period. End of story.
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That is kind of childish and simplistic thinking don't you think? It is more complex than that. I do however no matter how childish agree, lol.
 
Wake said:
If the N-word is a racist, bad word, then NO ONE should use it. Period. End of story.
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yes, on Utopia Parkway along the Long Island Expressway, this would be the case.

but we don't live on Utopia Parkway, now do we?
 
Blackdog said:
That is kind of childish and simplistic thinking don't you think? It is more complex than that. I do however no matter how childish agree, lol.
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It is not childish. Giving preferential treatment to certain people based simply on race, is.
 
Thunder said:
and in many instances, such a suggestion is ignorant of history & facts on the ground.
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No, ignoring what makes a statement actually racist is a big part of the problems around racism and claims of racism today. If you fail to look at why a person makes a comment or what actually makes it racist, then you are not actually trying to identify true racism, you are simply trying to stir up trouble.
 
Thunder said:
yes, on Utopia Parkway along the Long Island Expressway, this would be the case.

but we don't live on Utopia Parkway, now do we?
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You're not making sense.

Again, if the N-word is a racist, bad word, then NO ONE should use it. Period. End of story.
 
Wake said:
It is not childish. Giving preferential treatment to certain people based simply on race, is.
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What does a black person calling another black person "nigga" or "nigger" have to do with ... "Giving preferential treatment to certain people based simply on race?" Can we please stay on one subject at a freaking time? I am tired of people replying to my statements and they have no freaking clue what I just said.
 
Thunder said:
yes, in a perfect world.

but we don't live in that perfect world.
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It doesn't require a perfect world. It requires wise people willing to make a stand.
 
Blackdog said:
What does a black person calling another black person "nigga" or "nigger" have to do with ... "Giving preferential treatment to certain people based simply on race?" Can we please stay on one subject at a freaking time? I am tired of people replying to my statements and they have no freaking clue what I just said.
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Because you can call a person "X" word, fully knowing how destructive that word can be, yet if a white man says that same word as you mean it, it's racist. That is what is childish. Either all should use it, or none.
 
roguenuke said:
No, the premise is that poor white people today have it as bad as poor black people today, not that they had it as bad as black people under Jim Crow laws or slavery. It should be about what makes a statement racist or not, which honestly should be the intention behind the statement, not just the way the statement is perceived due to what did happen in the past due to racism. We are talking about what happens to people today and why. This is what the conversation should be about, instead of what happened 60+ years ago and before.
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I can't agree more with this post.
 
Thunder said:
do white people in the USA have a history of slavery & oppression based on the concept that they were racially inferior?

no, no they do not.
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I'm from a culture where white people do have such a history. When I call my friends micks, and make fun of them for their pale skin am I being self-loathing?
 
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