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Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

  • Yes, but only with a permit.

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Yes. No permit necessary.

    Votes: 37 78.7%

  • No.

    Votes: 6 12.8%

  • I have no idea.

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
It is never okay to break the law.

If you have to bitch about something fine write a letter protest within the law.

I'm sure this is all about the hundreds who breaking numerous laws and turning a private park into a cesspool, smoking pot, walking around nude, defecating on a police car, having sex in the open, and generally being a nuisance.

They need to be rounded up and bussed to the nearest detention center.

Most of them so far don't have a clue what they wand and to top that off they are protesting the wrong group.

Obama has done more to add to the problems he claims to have inherited, by wasting billions on failed programs.

They also need to protest the Congress for passing "The Community Reinvestment Act" but it was passed in 1977 and all this Congress is guilty of is repealing it early on, because it resulted the housing bubble popping big time.
 
Cold Highway said:
The way I see it, its either boycott the business or ask the thugerment to step in with its cadre of guns to force the business to do what you want. I prefer the power of the purse over the thugerment any day.
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Again, there ought to be a rational, non-dumbass political agenda reason to try and force a particular business to close it's doors.

Boycotting a business, just because you don't like them, isn't really a good reason to put people out of work, or cause them to lose money.
 
apdst said:
They hate capitalism. They have the fullbore support of the Communist and Nazi Parties.

BTW, welcome back.
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If you think that? You do not understand what they are trying to do.
 
apdst said:
Again, there ought to be a rational, non-dumbass political agenda reason to try and force a particular business to close it's doors.

Boycotting a business, just because you don't like them, isn't really a good reason to put people out of work, or cause them to lose money.
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In my opinion trying to shut down a business will 9 out 10 times have a political motive behind it, I want to say most people just want the business to change its behavior/polices. For example some people hate it when they have to give out name and address in order to return a product. Most of the time they will bitch, write a letter to the company and sometimes the BBB and probably wont shop there. Others will carry a chip on their shoulder and try to do something that really hurts the business. I think the people who write letters and use word of mouth are in the majority as opposed to those who carry a chip on the shoulder.
 
Councilman said:
It is never okay to break the law.

If you have to bitch about something fine write a letter protest within the law.

I'm sure this is all about the hundreds who breaking numerous laws and turning a private park into a cesspool, smoking pot, walking around nude, defecating on a police car, having sex in the open, and generally being a nuisance.

They need to be rounded up and bussed to the nearest detention center.

Most of them so far don't have a clue what they wand and to top that off they are protesting the wrong group.

Obama has done more to add to the problems he claims to have inherited, by wasting billions on failed programs.

They also need to protest the Congress for passing "The Community Reinvestment Act" but it was passed in 1977 and all this Congress is guilty of is repealing it early on, because it resulted the housing bubble popping big time.
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Your answer is to write a letter of protest? *Snickers* I cannot take you serious about this so will ignore your other dumb ass thought that they should be rounded up and bussed to the nearest detention center.. :roll:

Why do you hate civil rights?
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
What TD said except I would raise the standard for it being OK from 'inconvenienced' to actual harm (vandalism, theft, assault, etc.)
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So, that rules out the Boston Tea Party as a matter of civil disobedience, for after all, the tea-partiers could have been prosecuted for committing a felony.
 
Kali said:
Your answer is to write a letter of protest? *Snickers* I cannot take you serious about this so will ignore your other dumb ass thought that they should be rounded up and bussed to the nearest detention center.. :roll:

Why do you hate civil rights?
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So you think it's okay for a bunch of filthy bastards to defile private property etc. and the most of them are too damn stupid to even know why they are there, because they are dumb-assed liberals who play follow the leader and in this case it's Obama who started the BS class wars in hope of just such an event.
These protesters are breaking a number if laws and that has nothing to do with my feelings about civil rights. I know more about than you will ever know and there is a way to protest with breaking the law.
As for the buses it will take buses to haul these fools off.
Did you know brainiac that 100 of these ignorant fools were interviewed and 34 % said that America was just as bad as Al Queda. In my book that's about enough damn it, these son of beatches don't realize than if they were the Commie society they crave they would all go to prison or a gulag if they lived they the initial attracts.
Keep your hate speech to your party, mine doesn't buy in to the hate from the Left.
 
Depends on what you mean. Can it be used? Absolutely. Should the individual suffer the appropriate legal penalty for doing it? Absolutely. I'm really sick and tired of people who trumpet civil disobedience and then don't want to be taken to task for it. Either man up and take your lumps or stop pretending.
 
apdst said:
They hate capitalism. They have the fullbore support of the Communist and Nazi Parties.

BTW, welcome back.
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I wonder if you realize how stupid this is. Did you know some KKKers supported Bush for president? Therefore by your logic Bush was a racist.
 
radcen said:
I've debated this in my mind many times. At the very least, it is not the most well thought out strategy. Making me late for whatever I'm doing does not make me want to be sympathetic to your cause.
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Some, in the past, have even been known to block the main entrance to an Air Force base to make a point about the Vietnam war.

If those involved in the protests today are willing to risk being put in jail for their civil disobedience to non-violently stand up for their beliefs, I have the highest respect for them.
 
I have always found it amusing that people think protesting needs to have rules around it, like permits. All you need are sheer numbers. Once there are enough people, the government is not going to do anything to stop it. A good example was the haulted cleanup at the Wall St. protests.

Imagine if 10,000 people all sat down on the ground in rows, and linked hands and feet. What could the government do aside from trample them? They would not be easily moveable.

What determines the validity of protest is simply its effectiveness, and civil disobedience is very effective, especially in larger numbers.
 
Kali said:
Burning and looting buildings is NOT Civil Disobedience?? Keyword here is civil.
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I don't want to be a word Nazi here but if you want to focus on a word the civil in civil disobedience, it doesn't mean you are behaving in a civil fashion, it means you refuse to obey civil laws.

Refusal to obey civil laws is an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means.

Point is, if you break the law you get arrested, yes even if you are non violent.
 
apdst said:
They're trying to destroy our capitalist system.
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"Destroy" might be a little harsh, but I do believe the system needs serious changing. At least from what I have observed of these people, though I cannot speak for the inner motivation of each individual.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't want to be a word Nazi here but if you want to focus on a word the civil in civil disobedience, it doesn't mean you are behaving in a civil fashion, it means you refuse to obey civil laws.

Refusal to obey civil laws is an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means.

Point is, if you break the law you get arrested, yes even if you are non violent.
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This is closer to what I originally thought it meant, and it does fit better.
 
upsideguy said:
So, that rules out the Boston Tea Party as a matter of civil disobedience, for after all, the tea-partiers could have been prosecuted for committing a felony.
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And, in fact some of the founders were pissed off as hell at the Sons of Liberty and wanted them prosecuted.
 
Redress said:
I wonder if you realize how stupid this is. Did you know some KKKers supported Bush for president? Therefore by your logic Bush was a racist.
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How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers? I haven't seen any rhetoric yet, that wasn't anti-capitalist. When you can prove me wrong, you be damn sure to let us know.
 
apdst said:
As long as it's actually civil and doesn't trample on the rights of others. The so called civil disobedience at Kent State involved burning down private property. The so called civil disobedience in NYC is killing profits for privately owned businesses in the area where the protests are taking place.
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That's not what I've read. Recently there was a thread here about how a pizza restaurant owner is doing a hell of a business, as is McDonald's, I read. There was a youtube of a female customer getting arrested for doing business in Citibank near the OWS. She was a well dressed woman who appears to have done nothing other than walk out of the bank.
 
apdst said:
How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers? I haven't seen any rhetoric yet, that wasn't anti-capitalist. When you can prove me wrong, you be damn sure to let us know.
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Any one who owns a restaurant or other outside business. Actions speak louder than words.
 
apdst said:
How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers?
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Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.
 
Risky Thicket said:
That's not what I've read. Recently there was a thread here about how a pizza restaurant owner is doing a hell of a business, as is McDonald's, I read. There was a youtube of a female customer getting arrested for doing business in Citibank near the OWS. She was a well dressed woman who appears to have done nothing other than walk out of the bank.
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There are even more stories of business owners in the area that are being hurt by the protests.

"Usually, there are hundreds and hundreds of people in this area," said Stacey Tzortzatos, owner of Panini & Co. Breads, which sits adjacent to Zuccotti Park. "People do not want to have to pass through the crowd or walk through the park to come to my business -- so they go elsewhere."

For Tzortzatos, the “occupation” has resulted not just in a loss in business. “I’ve had a lot of damage from the protesters,” she said. “I’ve had to put a $200 lock on my bathroom because they come in here and try to bathe. The sink fell down to the ground, cracked open, pulled the plumbing out of the wall and caused a flood. It’s a no-win situation. If I open the restroom for one, 30 people line up outside, disrupting my business.”

Occupy Wall Street Causing Problems On Main Street
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"People used to come down for their lunch, now the people aren't coming down," says Zhi Wang, a smoothie cart owner stationed at the edge of the park. He pointed at the surrounding skyscrapers, which house some of the world's largest financial institutions and the Nasdaq Stock Market's headquarters.

Wall Street Protest Hurts the 'Little Guys' Nearby | Entrepreneur.com
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Antiderivative said:
Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.
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No, there aren't many--if any--capitalists, free marketeers, or Conservatives among their ranks.

The main goal of the protestors is against Wall Street corruption and greed, but the group has rallied against a number of other issues, including unemployment, economic inequality, college tuition rates, police brutality, health care and even the execution of Georgia death row inmate Troy Davis.

Occupy Wall Street Movement Gains Momentum, Attention And Controversy « CBS New York
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They're all, or nearly all, a bunch of Leftists and extremist Leftists.

As I said to Redress, when you find evidence that I'm wrong, you be damn sure and let me know.
 
Antiderivative said:
Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.
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Hostility to Hollywood's politics, maybe, but not Hollywoods conduction of business.
 
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