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Is America arrogant?

Is America arrogant?

  • No, not at all

    Votes: 9 10.1%

  • May be a little

    Votes: 13 14.6%

  • Yes, it is

    Votes: 41 46.1%

  • Oh, very arrogant

    Votes: 20 22.5%

  • I can't decide

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • Total voters
    89
America/Americans are very arrogant. It's one of the qualities I love the most about The United States.
 
Jryan said:
lol, who were mostly jews.:shrug:
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Excuse me? "lol"? So you're saying the citizens of Poland, who were basically slaughtered, driven out of their homes, and occupied don't really matter because, "lol, [they] were mostly jews." Then you... shrug?

If I have misunderstood your meaning, perhaps you could enlighten me.
 
radcen said:
I don't think it's arrogance so much, but rather being sheltered and naive. It comes across as arrogance to others.
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In all humility I have to be honest and state, "We are the most wonderful and remarkable nation that has ever existed. IMHO.......
 
Catawba said:
From the Rankopedia: The Most Arrogant Nation on Earth:

"USA followed by
France
England
Israel
China
Russia
Japan
Germany
Vatican
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Italy
North Korea
Spain
Turkey
Australia
Sweden
Norway
Serbia
Switzerland
Greece
Cuba
Netherlands
Argentina
Denmark"

Rankopedia: Most Arrogant Nation On Earth
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You know I never realized how humble North Korea was. :lamo
 
American said:
You know I never realized how humble North Korea was. :lamo
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Everyhing is relative. Compared with the US, North Korea is about twice as humble.:shock:
 
DiAnna said:
Excuse me? "lol"? So you're saying the citizens of Poland, who were basically slaughtered, driven out of their homes, and occupied don't really matter because, "lol, [they] were mostly jews." Then you... shrug?

If I have misunderstood your meaning, perhaps you could enlighten me.
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Woah, I didn't say they didn't matter... or at least I didn't mean to :).
 
Yes we are and we should be. We're the last hope for humanity (though that's fading fast).
 
Tigger said:
Yes we are and we should be. We're the last hope for humanity (though that's fading fast).
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The thing is that the US is a good country, but American exceptionalism is not something I've ever understood. The Romans, the British Empire, the German Third Reich, the Chinese, many empires and great nations rose and fell in part due to their arrogance
 
Proud South Korean said:
The thing is that the US is a good country, but American exceptionalism is not something I've ever understood. The Romans, the British Empire, the German Third Reich, the Chinese, many empires and great nations rose and fell in part due to their arrogance
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That is my theory on all of this. There will come a day when we wont be known as The Great America, land of the free, etc etc. We will still be a country, we just wont be a great country. We will be like England or France...
 
Proud South Korean said:
The thing is that the US is a good country, but American exceptionalism is not something I've ever understood. The Romans, the British Empire, the German Third Reich, the Chinese, many empires and great nations rose and fell in part due to their arrogance
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PSK, America WAS the last great hope for humanity. We WERE the ones who were supposed to finally get it right. We've screwed it up beyond all repair in the last century and a half, getting systemically worse since the War of Northern Aggression, to the point where we're really no better than Canada or Belgium or France at this point. In fact, I'm not entirely sure that my great-grandfather would have left Germany to come to THIS version of "America" if it had been in place a century ago when he came here.
 
Jryan said:
That is my theory on all of this. There will come a day when we wont be known as The Great America, land of the free, etc etc. We will still be a country, we just wont be a great country. We will be like England or France...
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True, at which point there will no longer be any hope for Humanity as a species.
 
As a country we lack moderation and are extremely self-absorbed. Every sub-culture that exists in every bracket of our socio-economic structure hysterically puts their own needs and interests on a pedestal far higher than anyone else's, which is called having a cultural imperative -- the idea that the 'tribe' you belong to, through the work it does for the country, or by the merit of its character, is so deserving of rewards and benefits that all policy needs to be ordered around its material advancement. This contributes to a lot of our political dysfunction, and moral delusion.

jamesrage said:
I voted other. I could care less if America is arrogant. In America's short history America has accomplished a lot and done so much for the world.
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Even if so, it is irrelevant. The only way to continue being great is to maintain a great spirit, which includes humility, mindfulness of our faults and weaknesses, as well as a willingness to apply and improve upon our strengths for the greater good.
 
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MG, sounds like you'd be happier in Europe or Canada. I'd be willing to donate towards your ticket, so long as you're willing to leave your US Citizenship behind.
 
Tigger said:
MG, sounds like you'd be happier in Europe or Canada. I'd be willing to donate towards your ticket, so long as you're willing to leave your US Citizenship behind.
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lolololol.
 
Morality Games said:
As a country we lack moderation and are extremely self-absorbed. Every sub-culture that exists in every bracket of our socio-economic structure hysterically puts their own needs and interests on a pedestal far higher than anyone else's, which is called having a cultural imperative -- the idea that the 'tribe' you belong to, through the work it does for the country, or by the merit of its character, is so deserving of rewards and benefits that all policy needs to be ordered around its material advancement. This contributes to a lot of our political dysfunction, and moral delusion.



Even if so, it is irrelevant. The only way to continue being great is to maintain a great spirit, which includes humility, mindfulness of our faults and weaknesses, as well as a willingness to apply and improve upon our strengths for the greater good.
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Self actualization of the individual necessarily benefits "the greater good."
 
Tigger said:
MG, sounds like you'd be happier in Europe or Canada. I'd be willing to donate towards your ticket, so long as you're willing to leave your US Citizenship behind.
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I've occasionally considered moving to a different country, one with a heightened sense of personal responsibility toward the collective good, but you shouldn't abandon your community of birth anymore than you should abandon your family, no matter how dysfunctional it is. It is the network of human associations that history gave to me, so I will take it for its good and bad.

Self actualization of the individual necessarily benefits "the greater good."
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Self-actualization is good, I'm not arguing people shouldn't reach their full potential, but I doubt whether most individuals have the self-knowledge or awareness of their indebtedness to other human beings to have a realistic idea of their what their full potential is. Part of realizing your potential is working your way into a position where you can repay people for the good that they did you, directly or indirectly. The more self-absorbed you are, the more attracted to your own thoughts and feelings and their importance to you, the less likely you are to develop a good perception of what you have received from others, and what you need to repay.

Working your way into a position where you can do "what" you want to/for "who" you want "when and where" you want is only meaningful if you are doing the right things to/for the right people at the right places and times.

Our culture doesn't teach people about such righteousness. It teaches them to embrace and pursue their innermost desires, without considering how vile or selfish these might be.
 
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Morality Games said:
I've occasionally considered moving to a different country, one with a heightened sense of personal responsibility toward the collective good, but you shouldn't abandon your community of birth anymore than you should abandon your family, no matter how dysfunctional it is. It is the network of human associations that history gave to me, so I will take it for its good and bad.
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I have no problem abandoning any individual, group, or association that fails to live up to my standards.
 
Tigger said:
I have no problem abandoning any individual, group, or association that fails to live up to my standards.
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Ultimately everything you are, and have, you owe to whatever associations you had, and made use of. It isn't a connection you can abandon, without taking a serious blow to your credibility.

It would also imply that I am "much better" than the people of the United States, which isn't a message I want to send. I might put a little more effort in the mindfulness I was talking about, but I'm not in my behavior a vast improvement over the other inhabitants of my country. Though it is always a goal to be better.
 
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Morality Games said:
Ultimately everything you are, and have, you owe to whatever associations you had, and made use of. It isn't a connection you can abandon, without taking a serious blow to your credibility.
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Yes, your associations do play a very large part in determining who you are, HOWEVER often times it's by showing you what you shouldn't be, rather than what you should be. Therefore in many cases disassociating yourself with people, groups, etc... shows who you truly are more than maintaining those associations would. For example.... I personally know a large number of individuals who CLAIM to be friends of the Second Amendment yet continue to associate with and vote for candidates who are unwilling to do anything to protect the RTKBA. Their association with these people says more to me than their empty words does.
 
Tigger said:
Yes, your associations do play a very large part in determining who you are, HOWEVER often times it's by showing you what you shouldn't be, rather than what you should be. Therefore in many cases disassociating yourself with people, groups, etc... shows who you truly are more than maintaining those associations would. For example.... I personally know a large number of individuals who CLAIM to be friends of the Second Amendment yet continue to associate with and vote for candidates who are unwilling to do anything to protect the RTKBA. Their association with these people says more to me than their empty words does.
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Even the fool should be rewarded (or at least forgiven his faults), if his foolishness ultimately assists another in finding true wisdom. That is, good men repay even the indirect benefits gained from overcoming obstacles.

There are obvious associations you would want to extricate yourself from (like the Group for Puppy Murdering Sociopaths), but in general, personal fallibility and general human limitations (particularly in collective organizations) should make one wary of abandoning an association. Abandoning an association always implies you are better, which isn't an impulse that needs to be fed. People already have no problem believing that they are better, and a much harder time doing or even thinking anything that proves it.

I may not have liked all of my parents's habits and morals growing up, but I still ate from their table, slept in their house, and made use of the possessions they gave me for my personal use; furthermore, there were plenty of habits and morals of my own that were mistaken and in need of correction, both in relation to my parents, others, and myself. My relationship with the United States is similar.
 
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Losers often characterize the winners as arrogant. Winners often characterize themselves as deserving. I think the US has earned and deserves a lot of respect for what it has to done to improve the standard of living for most of the people on this planet. Foreigners can call us arrogant or they call us deserving, I don't care. What they should remember is to thank us for how they live today.
 
How exactly is a nation arrogant? Does the nation have it's own conscience?

Is Russia crude? Canada feckless? China all-too-serious?
 
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