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Who are the OWS protestors?

Who are the OWS protestors?

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TurtleDude said:
I think most of us rationally based thinkers saw your post as far less charitable than how you currently embellish it.
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There was nothing rational about your post. It was just mindless attacks of the type we just sit back and laugh at.
 
I don't think that the OWS protestors want to destroy America. I do think that they are not unified and not very well informed. From what I understand I believe most are tired of corporate corruption and income inequality and that is their main reason for protesting. Trying to fix both are noble goals in my opinion.
 
cpwill said:
they are people who have been told that 'the system' is bad, and that 'they system' is responsible for bad things. so now, their lives have a high occurence of bad things, so naturally, they blame 'the system'...... the problem being, nobody ever actually explained to them specifically what that 'system', precisely, was or how it actually harmed them. they just know that life's not fair, they're not happy about it, and they're gonna blame somebody.
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The system is broken, it was Wall Street and the investment banks that flew our economy into the toilet. Virtually the same reason for the Great Depression.
 
Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals


Citizen journalist Ringo captured this speaker at the Occupy Los Angeles camp a few days ago letting the cat out of the bag: After dismissing nonviolence as a dead end, he admits that for the Occupiers to achieve their goals, violence and bloodshed will be necessary:

Occupy L.A. Speaker: “One of the speakers said the solution is nonviolent movement. No, my friend. I’ll give you two examples: French Revolution, and Indian so-called Revolution.

Gandhi, Gandhi today is, with respect to all of you, Gandhi today is a tumor that the ruling class is using constantly to mislead us. French Revolution made fundamental transformation. But it was bloody.

India, the result of Gandhi, is 600 million people living in maximum poverty.

So, ultimately, the bourgeosie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.

Long live revolution! Long live socialism!”

Crowd: [Cheers.]

The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
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I think the "crowd cheers" is the operative point here. There's video at the link.
 
"Originally Posted by TurtleDude
what nonsense

That is the standard lame we see in your posts.

Yeah, senior partners in wall street law firms, corporate executives and successful small business owners, pro athletes, etc are there

NOT

its a collection of losers, Che wannabees, bored trust fund mercedes marxists and sexual deviants"

NLG: Cops and Informants Cause Most Protest Violence

NLG: Cops and Informants Cause Most Protest Violence | MyFDL
 
Redress said:
Food prices have gone up pretty steadily since 2002: Commodity Food Price Index - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi

Look at gas prices. Now throw in the cost of cars and housing. Middle class spending power has decreased significantly.
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That isn't the whole story.
Historically, food prices are pretty low.
Americans have continually spent less on food, as a percentage of income since 1925.

Gas prices have fallen right in the inflation adjusted norms.
Inflation adjusted Gasoline Price Chart

Cars have increased in longevity, reducing the cost over time.
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A chart about historical auto affordability.

That isn't even touching on the subject, about how income is not fully reported by those who claim that the middle class is shrinking.
 
DaveFagan said:
"Originally Posted by TurtleDude
what nonsense

That is the standard lame we see in your posts.

Yeah, senior partners in wall street law firms, corporate executives and successful small business owners, pro athletes, etc are there

NOT

its a collection of losers, Che wannabees, bored trust fund mercedes marxists and sexual deviants"

NLG: Cops and Informants Cause Most Protest Violence

NLG: Cops and Informants Cause Most Protest Violence | MyFDL
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You know, if that agent provocateur guy really was the only one who got in, then its on high rez video.

And homey will be BUSTED!

Self pwnage is the best pwnage.

Somebody in DC needs to make sure the Smithsonian has this information!
 
the middle class IS shrinking...it's not just a claim. how may graphs should i post? i have no income i don't report.
 
TurtleDude said:
a group of people who are upset about their financial situation and look to find someone or something else to blame for their failure or lack of success
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Youve worn that line out turtle...you really need some new material...that has zero impact except for a chuckle or two and maybe a guffaw
 
I and a few others im sure on this forum lived through the 60s protests....and you could take the posts from here from the right wingers and match them perfectly to what was being said back then.....disorganized, hippies in communes using the war to have sex and use drugs...college dropouts...societies losers...etc etc etc.
I was TOTALLY against their movement and what they stood for.....but all of you had better remember one thing

Like them or not those protesters changed the country as we knew it...and those protesters all grown up today are the same babyboomers that have ruined this country out of greed...and are many of our politicians.....these protests today may be the next generation.....we will have to wait and see.
 
PEople that want to separate the state and corporations. Thats who they are.
 
liblady said:
read this:

34 Signs That Point To A Rapidly Shrinking American Middle Class
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Yes I've seen all this before and to address each and every one would be a marathon, I don't wish to partake in.

1. income is going to be lower now because we're still coming out of a recession.
No matter what anyone says, we're still moving out of one.

2. the retiree population is getting larger, when that happens incomes will show downward pressure, because retired incomes tend to be lower than working incomes.

3. This covers a ton of stuff.
The inequality myth: Is rising inequality in America exaggerated? | The Economist

4. Most of these data charts do not include government transfers that aren't taxed like, EITC, Medicaid benefits, Food stamps, etc.

5. Most of these data charts do not include untaxed forms of compensation like, employer paid insurance benefits, 401k contributions, etc.

6. The cost for many consumer goods, both durable and non durable have been going down on aggregate like, automobiles, electronics, dishwashers, cloths washers, etc.

Finally, there are so many differing factors at play, that simplistic statistics are only good for taking advantage of people, who don't know any better.
 
What if...? said:
You know, if that agent provocateur guy really was the only one who got in, then its on high rez video.

And homey will be BUSTED!

Self pwnage is the best pwnage.

Somebody in DC needs to make sure the Smithsonian has this information!
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His picture has already been posted. The only people who entered the museum were all journalists
 
Who are the OWS protesters?
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"The Beginning Is Near! proclaimed one early sign at New York City’s Liberty Plaza, which since September 17 has been held by a coalition of activists under the Occupy Wall Street banner. In the early days of the action, many on the professional left doubted that Occupy Wall Street would be the beginning of anything. “Another day, another demo…” some shrugged, weary from years of protests that never seem to stop another war, another robbery of the poor by the rich. In Washington, for two frustrating years, the debate has been focused on how much austerity to have—the slash-and-burn policies of the Republican Party or the austerity-lite measures of President Obama. More stimulus, we were told, was a nonstarter. Hope seemed a distant, perhaps false, memory.

But thankfully, the young protesters at the heart of Occupy Wall Street are not so cynical. The kids are alright! They may have lost faith in the key institutions of America—the elected officials, the media, the banks—that ought to be steering the country out of economic crisis, but they have not lost faith in the people. Yes, they’re angry, but they are also searching and optimistic and, above all, they have taken matters into their own hands.

The beginning really is near. The occupation of Wall Street has grown from hundreds to thousands, and more than 115 parallel occupations have cropped up in cities around the world, from Occupy Boston to Occupy Los Angeles to Occupy Finland. Crucially, labor and civil society groups like the SEIU, the Teamsters, the Transit Workers, New York Communities for Change and others have come on board, not to take over the occupation from the amateurs but to join them, won over by their DIY spirit."

Occupy America | The Nation
 
Does anyone think the OWS people might turn violent? The Tea Partiers were never violent yet liberal rallies are usually violent.
 
Wake said:
Does anyone think the OWS people might turn violent? The Tea Partiers were never violent yet liberal rallies are usually violent.
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My advice: You should be hide under your bed. The OWS will never think to look for you there
 
Wake said:
Does anyone think the OWS people might turn violent? The Tea Partiers were never violent yet liberal rallies are usually violent.
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what an unbelievably stupid & ignorant statement.

where is your evidence that Liberal rallies tend to become violent?
 
Thunder said:
what an unbelievably stupid & ignorant statement.

where is your evidence that Liberal rallies tend to become violent?
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...predictable.





Should we talk about G20, as well? Maybe you'd like me to collect a few more videos? Let me guess. Hm... These instances weren't violent? Do note I never said ALL liberal rallies were violent.
 
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Wake said:
...liberal rallies are usually violent.
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there must have been hundreds if not thousands of Liberal/Democrat rallies in 2008.

how many of them turned violent?

how many Liberal/Democrat rallies in 2004 turned violent?

your truly ignorant statement is only shadowed by your ridiculously broad stroke.
 
Thunder said:
there must have been hundreds if not thousands of Liberal/Democrat rallies in 2008.

how many of them turned violent?

how many Liberal/Democrat rallies in 2004 turned violent?

your truly ignorant statement is only shadowed by your ridiculously broad stroke.
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...if you were listening, you would realize I'm comparing liberal rallies to the Tea Partiers. Read my starting post here, again, and again, and again.
 
Wake said:
...if you were listening, you would realize I'm comparing liberal rallies to the Tea Partiers. Read my starting post here, again, and again, and again.
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hundreds if not thousands of Liberal rallies in 2008.

how many turned violent?
 



How about this one, as well?

Tea Partiers vs liberal rallies. Liberal rallies have been much more violent.
 
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