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Ammunition

Should all ammunition be legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 51.4%

  • No

    Votes: 17 48.6%
  • Total voters
    35
Jryan said:
I think that would be a bad idea because people could take justice into there own hands when they don't need to. IE, some neighbor kid steals a 6 pack of beer out of their garage, they go over and shoot them with a bean bag shotgun.
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What's stopping that person from using other, currently available, lawfully possesable forms of less-than-lethal force; such as Tazers, sling-shots and that same paint-ball gun loaded with regular paint ammo?

You're saying that an otherwise healthy, sane, law-abiding citizen would suddenly transform into a maniac if a few bean-bag rounds were placed in his hand. What credible research are you basing this claim of demonic possession on?
 
Jerry said:
What's stopping that person from using other, currently available, lawfully possesable forms of less-than-lethal force; such as Tazers, sling-shots and that same paint-ball gun loaded with regular paint ammo?

You're saying that an otherwise healthy, sane, law-abiding citizen would suddenly transform into a maniac if a few bean-bag rounds were placed in his hand. What credible research are you basing this claim of demonic possession on?
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and here I was, about to join your side Jerry. Argh, it is philosophies like this that make me not want to own a gun. Do you not see that person as a child? Do you think beating a child is okay? Do you think other citizens should act out because they were mistreated? Do you think that we don't have a justice department for a reason (ie because the victim would enact unjust revenge)?
 
Jryan said:
and here I was, about to join your side Jerry. Argh, it is philosophies like this that make me not want to own a gun. Do you not see that person as a child? Do you think beating a child is okay? Do you think other citizens should act out because they were mistreated? Do you think that we don't have a justice department for a reason (ie because the victim would enact unjust revenge)?
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You said that shot-gun bean-bag ammo is what would cause someone to go to another house and shoot a child.

IMO an anger management problem such as PTSD, not not a few gun rounds, would cause a person to shoot a child for petty theft. I was hoping you could elaborate on the properties of the ammo which might cause this hypothetical person to snap in the way presumed.
 
Jerry said:
You said that shot-gun bean-bag ammo is what would cause someone to go to another house and shoot a child.

IMO an anger management problem such as PTSD, not not a few gun rounds, would cause a person to shoot a child for petty theft. I was hoping you could elaborate on the properties of the ammo which might cause this hypothetical person to snap in the way presumed.
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From what I know, bean bag shotgun ammo is basically a shotgun shell (I believe it is made out of rubber) is fired at a slower velocity out of a shotgun. This is just from what I remember :).
 
Jryan said:
From what I know, bean bag shotgun ammo is basically a shotgun shell (I believe it is made out of rubber) is fired at a slower velocity out of a shotgun. This is just from what I remember :).
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...continue....
 
Jerry said:
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The impact leaves large bruises/welts (No broken skin, maybe broken bone?). Sorry, was going off memory, was I accurate? Again, I don't shoot guns or research them, I've just watched TV episodes (documentaries) about them.
 
want a really nasty non-lethal form of "self defense"

screw the pepper spray and stun guns

get a can of the long distance WASP Killer

shoots a stream 30 feet

it will kill mice, bats, small snakes and puts a serious ass whipping on some mope trying to F with you if you hit him in the face with that crap
 
TurtleDude said:
want a really nasty non-lethal form of "self defense"

screw the pepper spray and stun guns

get a can of the long distance WASP Killer

shoots a stream 30 feet

it will kill mice, bats, small snakes and puts a serious ass whipping on some mope trying to F with you if you hit him in the face with that crap
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Jesus Christ dude, I'm not sure I would want you as an attorney.
 
Jryan said:
The impact leaves large bruises/welts (No broken skin, maybe broken bone?). Sorry, was going off memory, was I accurate? Again, I don't shoot guns or research them, I've just watched TV episodes (documentaries) about them.
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You're absolutely correct in what you've described so far.

However, I asked something different.

I asked what it is about the round which causes someone to have a psychotic episode and go shoot a child in their house.

You said the rounds cause the crime. I'm asking how that is so. What does the round do to the person holding it?
 
I asked what it is about the round which causes someone to have a psychotic episode and go shoot a child in their house.

You said the rounds cause the crime. I'm asking how that is so. What does the round do to the person holding it?
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To enact revenge on the child that stole the alcohol?
 
Jryan said:
Jesus Christ dude, I'm not sure I would want you as an attorney.
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In a knife fight or a gun battle your only other choice might be Manny Kapleson
 
Jryan said:
Again, I don't shoot guns or research them, I've just watched TV episodes (documentaries) about them.
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That's pretty obvious. :lol:


People do stupid **** because they're stupid. They do impulsive **** because they're impulsive. They assault and murder other people with carpenter's hammers if that's what is handy.... years ago a day-trader in Atlanta killed his wife and four coworkers with a hammer and a knife.

Are you asking these questions because you feel that YOU could not control your impulses if you had access to such weapons and/or ammo? I'm just asking.... I just have to wonder where you get the idea that having something means using it. Something in excess of 99.95% of lawfully owned firearms are never used in a crime.
 
Goshin said:
That's pretty obvious. :lol:


People do stupid **** because they're stupid. They do impulsive **** because they're impulsive. They assault and murder other people with carpenter's hammers if that's what is handy.... years ago a day-trader in Atlanta killed his wife and four coworkers with a hammer and a knife.

Are you asking these questions because you feel that YOU could not control your impulses if you had access to such weapons and/or ammo? I'm just asking.... I just have to wonder where you get the idea that having something means using it. Something in excess of 99.95% of lawfully owned firearms are never used in a crime.
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Goshin, I think you know the answer to that question.
 
Jryan said:
To enact revenge on the child that stole the alcohol?
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You act as if stealing from a neighbor's house is a small thing. It isn't.

Breaking into, or entering for unlawful purposes, and stealing, is called burglary. In many states (like mine) you can shoot a burglar dead no questions asked... including teenagers.

Just last week, locally, some dumbass 20yo who's been stealing **** out of yards and barns got shot in the leg, because he went into a house to steal and Mister was home. Local consensus is what a pity the shot wasn't fatal.

I don't consider 15-16yo's "children". Legally minors yes... but hardly the same as a 9yo. A 16yo SHOULD know damn well that stealing **** from other people's houses is a Bad Thing. If he doesn't, I personally think an assload of rock salt is a good way of reminding him, and that he ought to be damn glad it wasn't buckshot.

Thieves suck.

I HAVE a 15yo. If he came home limping because someone had shot him with a "beanbag round", and I found out it was because he was STEALING from them, I'd probably thank the bloke for not killing him and then I'd beat the living dog**** out of my teenager myself for being a stupid ****ing thief.

fortunately I don't worry about this much as MY teenager was raised to understand that:
1. Stealing is wrong
2. Stealing around here will get your ass shot off.
 
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Jryan said:
Goshin, I think you know the answer to that question.
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If I knew I wouldn't ask. Having something doesn't automatically mean misusing it.
 
Goshin said:
You act as if stealing from a neighbor's house is a small thing. It isn't.

Breaking into, or entering for unlawful purposes, and stealing, is called burglary. In many states (like mine) you can shoot a burglar dead no questions asked... including teenagers.

I don't consider 15-16yo's "children". Legally minors yes... but hardly the same as a 9yo. A 16yo SHOULD know damn well that stealing **** from other people's houses is a Bad Thing. If he doesn't, I personally think an assload of rock salt is a good way of reminding him, and that he ought to be damn glad it wasn't buckshot.

Thieves suck.

I HAVE a 15yo. If he came home limping because someone had shot him with a "beanbag round", and I found out it was because he was STEALING from them, I'd probably thank the bloke for not killing him and then I'd beat the living dog**** out of my teenager myself for being a stupid ****ing thief.

fortunately I don't worry about this much as MY teenager was raised to understand that:
1. Stealing is wrong
2. Stealing around here will get your ass shot off.
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A) Because shooting a child or beating a child teaches them anything.
 
Jryan said:
A) Because shooting a child or beating a child teaches them anything.
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You're damn right it does. Pain is one of the most effective ways of saying "dont do that again." I personally prefer reasoning with people, but if someone has lived 16 years on this Earth and not learned that stealing **** from someone's house is Big Bad Thing, then they probably need to suffer some pain to see to it the dumbass mother****er remembers next time.

Thieves suck. It isn't a prank, it isn't funny, it is THEFT.



And again, a 16yo may be a minor but not a "child". You make it sound like a teen stealing beer is a widdle four year old. He isn't.
 
You're damn right it does. Pain is one of the most effective ways of saying "dont do that again." I personally prefer reasoning with people, but if someone has lived 16 years on this Earth and not learned that stealing **** from someone's house is Big Bad Thing, then they probably need to suffer some pain to see to it the dumbass mother****er remembers next time.
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I seriously suggest you take a long hard look at your life, if you seriously believe beating a child teaches them ANYTHING then I feel petty for your children and you yourself. If you would like books to read on this (which there are to many for me to list), please feel free to ask for that suggestion. In fact, I would say beating a child probably contributed to them stealing rather than them learning.
 
Jryan said:
Shouldn't the cops be the only ones (Including military of course, those bastards have everything!) who can use all types of ammunition? This would make their job safer, wouldn't it?
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Cops (and you, if you are arming for general defense) should, I think, carry frangible (or some similar type) round as a standard load - with AP available in the car.
 
cpwill said:
Cops (and you, if you are arming for general defense) should, I think, carry frangible (or some similar type) round as a standard load - with AP available in the car.
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556 Quad in the M4

AP, Tracer, Hollowpoint, ball
 
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