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Ammunition

Should all ammunition be legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 51.4%

  • No

    Votes: 17 48.6%
  • Total voters
    35
How about hand grandes? I guess they sort of qualify as a munition. Should they be legal to buy/own?
 
Currently, pre-1986 SMG's are under Class III licensure which is pretty restrictive. More recent SMGs you can't buy as a civilian, except for the semiauto versions which I don't see much point in.

I don't have much use for an SMG anyway. I'd rather have a semiauto shotgun.

They are fun to play with though, got the gosh-wow-cool factor going on. SWAT bud let me play with an MP5 loaded with tracers one time, makes a nice show after dark at a range.
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I don't mind people using ANY (obviously not any) weapon at a range. I think short of bombs/explosives you should be able to have fun with the weapon.
 
Luna Tick said:
I can just imagine some dirtbag who manages to make a nuclear weapon and then finds a slick lawyer tho successfully argues that it's a form of ammunition. I therefore voted no.
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You have a VERY active imagination.


I'd also guess you may not be up to speed on how complex and difficult nukes are to make... and to maintain.
 
Jryan said:
How about hand grandes? I guess they sort of qualify as a munition. Should they be legal to buy/own?
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purely offensive weapons that are do not meet the normal standards. I don't consider them arms either but Ordnance or artillery


but until we all can own the stuff we ought to be able to own-SMGs and assault rifles its not worth discussing grey area stuff
 
Goshin said:
You have a VERY active imagination.


I'd also guess you may not be up to speed on how complex and difficult nukes are to make... and to maintain.
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fast acting cancer and radioactive poisoning is a real bitch slap for those trying to make "Fat boy" in their basement
 
TurtleDude said:
SMG's are commonly used by CIVILIAN police officers. Thus other civilians need to be able to own them. Cops cannot use weapons for any reason other than defensive purposes. we don't have free fire zones in urban America
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I think there are some arguments for banning SMG's and machine pistols, since they pack a lot of firepower into an easily concealable package. With that said, if they're banned for civilians use, they should be banned for ALL civilian use, cops included. Anyway, an SMG really doesn't have all that many advantages over a sawed-off shotgun, and those are the easiest types of guns to get.
 
Goshin said:
You have a VERY active imagination.


I'd also guess you may not be up to speed on how complex and difficult nukes are to make... and to maintain.
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No one on this forum is seriously for nukes being publicly owned are they?
 
Jryan said:
Should 20mm grenades be legal?
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It would be reasonable to restrict 20mm explosive ammo. Explosives are a whole 'nuther ballgame, the tendency to damage multiple targets in an area-of-effect is a world of difference from any ordinary bullet.

IMHO they should be under something like Class III restrictions.
 
atrasicarius said:
I think there are some arguments for banning SMG's and machine pistols, since they pack a lot of firepower into an easily concealable package. With that said, if they're banned for civilians use, they should be banned for ALL civilian use, cops included. Anyway, an SMG really doesn't have all that many advantages over a sawed-off shotgun, and those are the easiest types of guns to get.
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Tactically I think they do. and you mean sawed-offs are the easiest guns to MAKE.
 
atrasicarius said:
I think there are some arguments for banning SMG's and machine pistols, since they pack a lot of firepower into an easily concealable package. With that said, if they're banned for civilians use, they should be banned for ALL civilian use, cops included. Anyway, an SMG really doesn't have all that many advantages over a sawed-off shotgun, and those are the easiest types of guns to get.
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If the state of Ohio issues MP-5s to some of its law enforcement agencies (it does) and if the federal government issues MP-5s to the FBI and other CIVILIAN LAW Enforcement agencies those governmental units should be permanently estopped from claiming such weapons have no legitimate use for other CIVILIANS
 
Jryan said:
How about hand grandes? I guess they sort of qualify as a munition. Should they be legal to buy/own?
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No. They don't fall under the category of "guns," they fall under the category of "explosives." Military grade explosives should be illegal.
 
Jryan said:
Tactically I think they do. and you mean sawed-offs are the easiest guns to MAKE.
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to obtain is the proper term
 
Jryan said:
No one on this forum is seriously for nukes being publicly owned are they?
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I think we've had a couple of people argue that they should; don't ask me why. It pisses me off when people bring up nukes in a discussion about ammo, guns, the 2A, etc.... because the one has NOTHING to do with the other. Equating nukes and guns is so far beyond the bounds of reason that I totally don't get it.
 
Goshin said:
I think we've had a couple of people argue that they should; don't ask me why. It pisses me off when people bring up nukes in a discussion about ammo, guns, the 2A, etc.... because the one has NOTHING to do with the other. Equating nukes and guns is so far beyond the bounds of reason that I totally don't get it.
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Thanks for the info guys :).
 
Jryan said:
Tactically I think they do. and you mean sawed-offs are the easiest guns to MAKE.
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From a tactical perspective, a rifle caliber carbine is better anyway. The worry with an SMG is that someone will stick one under their trench coat and open fire on a crowd, but a shotgun works just as well or better for that, so it's a moot point.
 
Jryan said:
How about hand grandes? I guess they sort of qualify as a munition. Should they be legal to buy/own?
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What sort?

There's smoke grenades and flare grenades, which surely should be legal.

There's flash-bangs (stun grenades) which probably should be legal. Tear gas and OC sure.

There's concussion grenades.... well maybe Class III in my opinion....

There's frag grenades, those are the ones that are really dangerous, yeah I'm okay with seriously restricting those. Thermite, phosphorous....
 
Goshin said:
What sort?

There's smoke grenades and flare grenades, which surely should be legal.

There's flash-bangs (stun grenades) which probably should be legal. Tear gas and OC sure.

There's concussion grenades.... well maybe Class III in my opinion....

There's frag grenades, those are the ones that are really dangerous, yeah I'm okay with seriously restricting those. Thermite, phosphorous....
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agree, thermite are designed to destroy cannon so it cannot be used by the enemy

Phosphorous has no legitimate purposes in a civilian environment-its arguably a chemical weapon
 
Goshin said:
What sort?

There's smoke grenades and flare grenades, which surely should be legal.

There's flash-bangs (stun grenades) which probably should be legal. Tear gas and OC sure.

There's concussion grenades.... well maybe Class III in my opinion....

There's frag grenades, those are the ones that are really dangerous, yeah I'm okay with seriously restricting those. Thermite, phosphorous....
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I agree up to flash-bangs, I think they fall under concussion grenades, but that is just what I have read about them. They are definitely a tactical grenade just as a concussion is. Care to shed some light on this?
 
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Personally, I don't know of any type of small-arms ammunition that I feel should be banned. That doesn't mean that some doesn't exist though, but I consider it unlikely.
 
molten_dragon said:
Personally, I don't know of any type of small-arms ammunition that I feel should be banned. That doesn't mean that some doesn't exist though, but I consider it unlikely.
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well I could see drawing the line on say cyanide tipped bullets or the things the Mobile Infantry Had in Starship Troopers


 
Jryan said:
I agree up to flash-bangs, I think they fall under concussion grenades, but that is just what I have read about them. They are definitely a tactical grenade just as a concussion is. Care to shed some light on this?
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I'm not expert on grenades; the Army didn't take me due to my hearing problem.

To my understanding, a flash-bang and a concussion grenade are two different things. A flash bang is loud and disorienting, a stun-weapon.

A concussion grenade COULD kill you or blow an arm off if it went off close enough, but it does not fragment and throw sharp bits of metal out up to 75 yards. It is for use when frag is too dangerous, or in confined spaces, IIRC.

I figure you should be able to buy flash-bangs at the gun store and treat it like any weapon.

Concussion grenades, probably ought to fall under Class III restrictions as they're potentially lethal and explosive.
 
Goshin said:
I'm not expert on grenades; the Army didn't take me due to my hearing problem.

To my understanding, a flash-bang and a concussion grenade are two different things. A flash bang is loud and disorienting, a stun-weapon.

A concussion grenade COULD kill you or blow an arm off if it went off close enough, but it does not fragment and throw sharp bits of metal out up to 75 yards. It is for use when frag is too dangerous, or in confined spaces, IIRC.

I figure you should be able to buy flash-bangs at the gun store and treat it like any weapon.

Concussion grenades, probably ought to fall under Class III restrictions as they're potentially lethal and explosive.
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If you think drunken idiots with guns are bad now, I think it would be terrible if they had flash bangs. I've also read they can give sever burns.
 
Speaking of ammunition:

Ashes To Ammo: How To Reload Your Dead Loved One

When a loved one dies and is cremated, family members face a tough decision on what do with the ashes. Some want the final resting place to be spectacular — spread in the Grand Canyon, launched into space, sprinkled in Times Square; others just keep Aunt Jane's remains in an urn at home.

"The ashes get put on the mantel, stay there for a couple of years, and then a couple of years later, they get put in the attic," says Thad Holmes. "A few years later, the house gets sold and, 'Oh gosh, we forgot the ashes!'"

Holmes, a conservation enforcement officer in Alabama, and his buddy Clem Parnell, came up with an unusual way to honor the dead. Their company, Holy Smoke, takes your loved one's ashes and turns them into ammunition.

Ashes To Ammo: How To Reload Your Dead Loved One : NPR
 
Jryan said:
If you think drunken idiots with guns are bad now, I think it would be terrible if they had flash bangs. I've also read they can give sever burns.
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They can; they can start fires if they're near something flammable. I'm not suggesting we sell them in the toy department at Wal-Mart... sell them as a weapon at a dealership, along with NICS check/etc.

Clothes irons and hair curlers can inflict severe burns or start fires too. :)


The world ain't a safe place...
 
winston53660 said:
Speaking of ammunition:

Ashes To Ammo: How To Reload Your Dead Loved One

When a loved one dies and is cremated, family members face a tough decision on what do with the ashes. Some want the final resting place to be spectacular — spread in the Grand Canyon, launched into space, sprinkled in Times Square; others just keep Aunt Jane's remains in an urn at home.

"The ashes get put on the mantel, stay there for a couple of years, and then a couple of years later, they get put in the attic," says Thad Holmes. "A few years later, the house gets sold and, 'Oh gosh, we forgot the ashes!'"

Holmes, a conservation enforcement officer in Alabama, and his buddy Clem Parnell, came up with an unusual way to honor the dead. Their company, Holy Smoke, takes your loved one's ashes and turns them into ammunition.

Ashes To Ammo: How To Reload Your Dead Loved One : NPR
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"I always wanted to go out with a bang!" :lamo
 
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